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Post by clintsfolly on Dec 18, 2019 16:19:49 GMT -5
Boat anchors........
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Post by 41freak on Dec 18, 2019 16:22:47 GMT -5
Gear shift handles, it would be neat to setup the trigger to fire the NOS...
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Post by magnumwheelman on Dec 18, 2019 16:33:26 GMT -5
man cave drawer pulls
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Post by z1r on Dec 18, 2019 16:55:19 GMT -5
Nice work, very impressed.
Could definitely use an AL Bisley grip frame for my .32 H&R SS. And would definitely like to replace the grip frame on my old SBH, thinking that one would benefit from either a brass or SS Bisley grip frame. Never tried a #5 but would be willing to try one on my 3 screw FT project. Might help take the recoil of the 41 Mag without being so heavy and big as a Bisley frame.
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Post by leftysixgun on Dec 18, 2019 17:11:29 GMT -5
RW, I admire your ambition to give is grips with custom options. But I have to wonder if a steel frame will be available? Good job sir.
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Post by frankenfab on Dec 18, 2019 18:29:08 GMT -5
I would love to see Ronnie make steel grip frames as well. But that's a totally different ballgame. The material is cheaper, but the cycle time is longer. The cunsumption of tooling goes way up, plus, it's just more difficult, because of some of the tool lengths required.
I guess what I'm trying to point out is that we're used to paying less for steel grip frames, compared to brass. But when machining them, the steel, and definitely stainless steel grip frames would probably cost more.
But, if anyone I have ever met in my life can do it, Ronnie can.
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Post by RDW on Dec 18, 2019 19:13:45 GMT -5
RW, I admire your ambition to give is grips with custom options. But I have to wonder if a steel frame will be available? Good job sir. Hey guys Thankyou! Great question Lefty. To answer your question right off the bat. ABSOLUTELY! Let me explain why it will be a few more months down the road Though! A lot of this depends entirely on how quickly i can pay myself back for the enormous investment i have made here out of dam near, pure passion rather than good business sense! LOL I LOVE SINGLE ACTION RUGERS! Im not even going mention how many i have because i doubt anyone would believe me. However there has been a major gap in the single action industry for the entire 150 plus years we have been shooting them. And that is the availability of handles! That has been the driving force of my passion to create RW GripFrames. I dont remember who said this but, Pick something you love to do, and you will never work a day in your life. I want to fill a niche and hole or a lack of choices in our most adored hobby. However understand i love going home feeling like i have made a difference today. So with that being said i will not count out even manufacturing my own single action revolver in the future. I am certainly capable! The biggest problem with Steels and Brass and aluminum is they are three different types of metal all together when it comes to manufacturing! In order to run as efficiently as possible you dont want to mix the two for several reasons. (One), steel is a quarter a pound. Brass has been at 7 dollars this year,( twice). Selling the scrap back is a pain when both metals are combined. The same rule is even worse when you are mixing Brass and aluminum! 1 percent aluminum in the brass will take your recoup cost from a $1.50 a pound down to .23 cents. It becomes aluminum Bronze as far as scrap prices are concerned. Thats a big difference when you order 5000 pounds at a time. The chunk to make a grip frame is 8 pounds and the grip frame is not even a pound! so you want to sale back all of your scrap for as much as you can get. That is what i have been doing over the course of the last few months. Getting a handle on the long turn cost so i can give it to you for the best possible price and still not go broke doing it! (Two), The tooling. Brass and aluminum cut at different feeds, yet you can use the same tools, Endmills, drills, ETC. Not steel. Steel uses much slower feed speeds and an entirely different tooling package. Stainless , even worse , worse again. TITANIUM. Oh Ya, its FUN! Haha So my goal here is to tool up two more Cnc mills over the course of the next few months and separate the materials. One aluminum and one brass (Current) Put in two more, one for standard steel and one for exotics like 410 stainless and Titanium for those who are like me and just have to have one, or two,ETC. If its Funkadelic i want one Hahaha. Hell i have one in Berylium copper. And several in titanium. But Brass makes me all Squirrley inside man. God i love brass on a sixer. I see no sense in using 4140 for a grip frame where strength is concerned because aluminum is much softer and works just dandy, even on the cannons. I love to true case color harden low carbon steel. A buddy of mine in Hot springs Arkansas brings me barrells of water from his home that has the perfect mineral content for my process. The water here in houston makes the quench color something similar to PUKE! But His water makes some of the most beautiful blues,greens, and reds ive seen. And i dont like clearcoat on my steel. So ya man, we will eventually get some martensitics and some low carbon irons out there for ya. I apologize for the long descriptions guys, but, and i mean BUT, I have heard nothing but extremely intelligent questions coming from the lot of you and i have been so impressed with the knowledge base that has been demonstrated and expressed on this forum! Very impressed. So i hope that will clarify some of the technical aspects of this project for you guys. And thank you for the opportunity to explain, As some of you that i have talked to will tell you. I love to jaw! Hahahaha. Cant help it. Just love knowledge and people! Ronnie
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Post by frankenfab on Dec 18, 2019 19:15:09 GMT -5
If we want to pay $500-$600 per grip frame, we could probably have Titanium. And I'm just financially irresponsible enough that I would buy at least one.
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Post by RDW on Dec 18, 2019 19:20:46 GMT -5
If we want to pay $500-$600 per grip frame, we could probably have Titanium. And I'm just financially irresponsible enough that I would buy at least one. you and me both Frank. Im currently bidding on a chunk of some UNOBTANIUM 665+1! hahaha
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Post by Ramar on Dec 18, 2019 19:23:25 GMT -5
Thank you for taking the time to school us so thoroughly, Ronnie. Very interesting!
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Post by RDW on Dec 18, 2019 19:24:12 GMT -5
I would love to see Ronnie make steel grip frames as well. But that's a totally different ballgame. The material is cheaper, but the cycle time is longer. The cunsumption of tooling goes way up, plus, it's just more difficult, because of some of the tool lengths required. I guess what I'm trying to point out is that we're used to paying less for steel grip frames, compared to brass. But when machining them, the steel, and definitely stainless steel grip frames would probably cost more. But, if anyone I have ever met in my life can do it, Ronnie can. And By the way Frank I am playing with a new endmill coating that sandvik is testing here in houston that is amazing. Im talking tripling feed speed on inconells and Martensitic work hardenable stainless. I had to see it to believe it but it is the SHIZNIK.
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Post by RDW on Dec 18, 2019 19:28:25 GMT -5
Thank you for taking the time to school us so thoroughly, Ronnie. Very interesting! You are most welcome Ramar Dont let me step on any toes or offend guys. Its just that like everything else that we all do, machining metal has gotten just about as complex as Hell these days and i wanted to give everyone a glimpse of some of the details involved. If im getting to carried away just tell me to shut up man. Haha You guys are all Great.
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Post by Ramar on Dec 18, 2019 19:35:25 GMT -5
Thank you for taking the time to school us so thoroughly, Ronnie. Very interesting! You are most welcome Ramar Dont let me step on any toes or offend guys. Its just that like everything else that we all do, machining metal has gotten just about as complex as Hell these days and i wanted to give everyone a glimpse of some of the details involved. If im getting to carried away just tell me to shut up man. Haha You guys are all Great. Not stepping on toes at all, Ronnie. I know nothing about machining other than what you and other posters here relay. Just thankful you're willing take the time to be so thoughtful and complete in your responses!
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Post by RDW on Dec 18, 2019 19:37:33 GMT -5
You are most welcome Ramar Dont let me step on any toes or offend guys. Its just that like everything else that we all do, machining metal has gotten just about as complex as Hell these days and i wanted to give everyone a glimpse of some of the details involved. If im getting to carried away just tell me to shut up man. Haha You guys are all Great. Not stepping on toes at all, Ronnie. I know nothing about machining other than what you and other posters here relay. Just thankful you're willing take the time to be so thoughtful and complete in your responses! Always a pleasure buddy.
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Post by needsmostuff on Dec 19, 2019 1:00:52 GMT -5
I for one enjoy the "splainin" of the metallurgy , machining and the applied business model required to launch this beast. Hearing the big picture enlightens us how huge of a project you have tackled. Gloom and doom naysayers take note ,,,This is how things get done ,,,,,,and we get to watch and participate just a little. Can't beat it !
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