Taylor Throating ?

[jgt]

Clymer Reamers were sold by Brownell's but can be purchased directly from Clymer's as a kit. This kit is made up essentially of a Dewey pistol cleaning rod, adapter, and clymer taylor throating reamer. Is it worth getting? Yes. Especially if you have the Brownell's forcing cone cutting kit. Why? Because You can use the Pistol cleaning rod to clean your gun and use the reamer mounted on the T-handle and rod from the Brownell's Kit. The threads match perfectly. I ordered three rod guides with my Brownell's Kit to keep the rod centered in the barrel(one at each end and one in the middle of the barrel). It was probably over kill with all three but I am anal when cutting on my barrels. Anyway, I use the forcing cone cutter to cut an eleven degree forcing cone and the brass hone to polish out the cutter marks. Then install the reamer (marked with a sharpie for a caliber and a half length) to cut the throat. Go slow and remove and relube with cutting oil often and never, ever, turn either (cutter or reamer) backwards (counter clock wise). I ask Clymer if they had a brass hone I could purchase as a mate for the reamer but was told it was unnessary with their reamer.

[Markbo]

For anyone's easy reference:
www.mansonreamers.com/

[jgt]

Markbo is correct. The taylor throating reamers are not listed as such in the Manson catalogue but I called them this morning and was told they do carry them in 45 and 44 calibers. They were out of stock on 44's but could make one up for anyone wanting one. I purchased my Clymer reamer a couple of years ago directly from Clymer's so they may still do the same if asked.

[Tx Gun Runner]

I got the 11 degree from Brownell and cut 8 guns and it improved accuracy in all my guns shooting lead and jacket both . I don't see any different between Taylor and Brownells they both cut 11 degrees .

[Cucuy]

TX Gunrunner,

Whoa! When did you stop running guns in Tennessee and move your business to Texas? Seems recent, according to posts.

-Cucuy

[Tx Gun Runner]

Feb 10, 2010 21:55:49 GMT -5 Cucuy said:

TX Gunrunner,

Whoa! When did you stop running guns in Tennessee and move your business to Texas? Seems recent, according to posts.

-Cucuy

I'm moving to Tx in the next 2 weeks

[Markbo]

Feb 10, 2010 17:59:05 GMT -5 Tx Gun Runner said:

....I don't see any different between Taylor and Brownells they both cut 11 degrees

Isn't the difference that the Taylor is just a little deeper than a 'standard' 11° cone?

[AxeHandle]

Reeder says that with our move to heavier bullets the "Taylor Throating" is OBE... He does what he calls a "Maxi Throat"... Didn't take the time to make notes of angles and lengths. It is all WAY over my head... To me this does mean that you heavy bullet shooters might want to get the details before you do any forcing cone modifications... A well worded post on Reeder's forum by a respected regular participant (hint, hint, hint) might provide a detailed quantative answer...

[COR]

From Gary's site.....
disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=183178;article=171135;title=Gary%20Reeder%20Custom%20Guns

[Tx Gun Runner]

To make a bullet go deeper and keep the original opening the same size you would need to make a special cutter for each cal . This is a 205gr / .429 and it shoots good and no leading . It would be very hard to improve it and 11 degrees is 11 degrees .....

[boxhead]

"To make a bullet go deeper and keep the original opening the same size you would need to make a special cutter for each cal ."

Now you got it.

[Tx Gun Runner]

What is the big advantage to make the bullet in deeper unless you line bore the gun to get free bore to match cylinder and tighten up the air gap ? Now your talking scratch or total custom gun and not improving a $500 gun .

[maxcactus]

From Gary Reeder's blog:

"For optimum accuracy in any revolver there are 3 things to do. One is an action job. The second is a good throat in the barrel ( forget the cylinder) as the throat of the barrel is the first thing the bullet touches"

Gary seems to be defying conventional wisdom here! Does he know something the rest of us, incl. the other custom smiths, missed?

Max.

[boxhead]

As posted earlier in this thread from Jim Stroh:

"Essentially, the barrel throat is lengthened one and one half to two calibers, and enlarged to slightly over groove diameter. The throat serves as the throat in a rifle barrel, enabling the bullet to become perfectly aligned with the bore before engaging the rifling. The "choking" effect present from tightening the barrel into the frame is removed as well. The rifling leade is a very gentle 1 ½ degrees. On average, when tested before and after using a Ransom Rest, 50 yard groups have been reduced 40 to 50%. The improvement is there using both cast and jacket bullets. I have not detected a change in velocity using cast bullets. Before and after chronographing is within standard deviation of each test. Using jacket bullets, there is a slight loss, less than 50 fps in all the tests I’ve conducted. If the barrel cylinder gap is adjusted to minimum at the same time the Taylor Throating is done, there will not be a velocity loss with jacket bullets, usually a gain of 25 to 50 fps.

I am convinced Taylor Throating produces the greatest accuracy improvement value available. Line-bore chambering will produce the most accurate revolvers, but the cost is prohibitive for many. When the barrel is accurately recrowned; the forcing cone recut concentric to the bore; Taylor Throating is almost as accurate as line-bore chambering with a savings of several hundred dollars."

He charges $95 for the Taylor throat and $30 for the standard 11 degree one. I have him doing a lot of work on a S&W conversion so decided to try the Taylor throat this time. We shall see.

[danindayton]

So, from what I'm reading, cylinder throats are no longer critical to a good shooting six gun, as long as the throat is recut to either 11 degrees or Taylo/Maxi throated. Is that about it?

DaninDayton
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