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Post by bigbrowndog on Apr 30, 2019 10:49:04 GMT -5
I don’t recall seeing or hearing about this prior to this past weekend. It was brought to my attention by a forum member, and it helps add credence to a shooting adage I think Hal Swiggett went by. 200grs. of bullet and 1000fps, will serve very nicely for a minimum standard of adequacy for hunting, you could further that with a bit more bullet and a bit less velocity. However I would hesitate going the other way with more velocity and less weight, unless a stouter bullet was used. Large animals have been dropped with lesser rounds and projectiles for eons, elephants with 22 rimfire or arrows, large bears with rimfire, etc. This guy worked within his range limitations and delivered an accurate shot, he probably passed up quite a few questionable opportunities. It is hard to argue with success, but my personal preference would have been for a bit more bullet and a larger hole in the muzzle. razordobbsalive.com/razor-dobbs-kills-two-cape-buffalo-10mm-auto-pistol-interviewTrapr
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Post by bula on Apr 30, 2019 11:00:55 GMT -5
The next thought then, the one gun theory. NOBODY here likes that idea !
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Post by bula on Apr 30, 2019 11:03:42 GMT -5
I did send the link on to my young friend with a couple of modded Glock 10mm's.
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Post by whitworth on Apr 30, 2019 11:05:33 GMT -5
Dobbs gets raked over the coals on a regular basis as to the “inadequacy “ of his chosen firearm. Yet when all of the smoke clears, the proof is literally in the pudding, er bovine(s). I have spoken to Razor at length about this and he prepared thoroughly for these hunts and knows the anatomy of the animal very well. It was very well calculated. Not my first, second, third, fourth, or fifth choice, but it’s hard arguing with the results.
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Post by bula on Apr 30, 2019 11:07:33 GMT -5
I also tease him that I can do that with my ole 44spec Bulldog. A beer gets shared, fun is had. Yes, that bore ,bullet and velo a happy place. Gotta admit, ain't chasing smart car sized critters around with one.
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Post by squigz on Apr 30, 2019 11:47:11 GMT -5
The next thought then, the one gun theory. NOBODY here likes that idea ! STOP TELLING US WE CAN ONLY PICK ONE. WE'RE ADULTS. Well, some of us are.. <- this was a joke, not serious Anyways. In relation to the article it's all preparation and understanding of the task at hand. Those who take their time to understand what their goal is can just about accomplish it with anything they set their mind too. I personally am still on the bigger the better, even for whitetails, but I know I could do to a whitetail with a 357 that I try to do with a 500. Just a matter of understanding, time and execution.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Apr 30, 2019 12:13:46 GMT -5
I watched an Internet guy “spear” a Cape buffalo once with a go pro camera on his spear,.......that’s ballsy stalking, he did. No waiting in tree for it to walk under him.
I believe he waited for it to take a siesta, and then sneak in.
I recall Bob Brister taking one with a O/U and slugs back in the late 70’s or 80’s, the write up was in Outdoor life.
Work within your limitations, be calm and cool, and deliver a deadly first blow,........as Max said,.......”hard to argue with success”
Trapr
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Post by leftysixgun on Apr 30, 2019 12:33:00 GMT -5
I saw the episode on tv of Razor shooting/killing that buff with the 10mm. I didnt really doubt him when I found out he was going to do it with a 10mm. But, I did want to see it happen with my own eyes.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Apr 30, 2019 13:26:30 GMT -5
The 2 keys here ( as I see it ) is fully knowing the anatomy, & shot placement... if you were an expert on the anatomy & totally a crack shot, you could probably kill most any animal with a 22 LR... Trust me... I am not... just ask BULA... I've been known to use a 480 Ruger on possums
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Post by Fowler on Apr 30, 2019 14:05:44 GMT -5
When Seyfried killed that buff in 1982 or so with one of Linebaugh's very first heavy 45 colts he had no one with a rifle backing him up, he was just hanging his ass out on the limb. That was a impressive feat, heck he was proving a handgun could match up to those animals at all, no we know they are more than capable but it was because he was foolish enough to prove it.
Hunting Buffs with a 10mm is a stunt in my opinion, a buff gun needs to have enough power to bust a shoulder and keep going on to kill the beast. Perhaps it does have but Im not going to find out. I watched Tedd Nugent kill a water buff with a 10mm Glock but then he also emptied the entire magazine into the animal before it tipped over. All animals if punched through both lungs and given enough time will die of course, its just a question of how quickly and humanely. And if they will die quickly enough to be recovered as well.
I don't know where that fuzzy line for what is reasonable power barrier for something like a cape buff is but I dont view it as the world of semi auto guns, YMMV...
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Post by magnumwheelman on Apr 30, 2019 14:34:38 GMT -5
Well... maybe one of my Automags or a Desert Eagle... but I'd be happy to watch ( at a safe distance ) anything less than a 44 Magnum from a handgun bottom two maybe... 10mm Magnum long barrel, or 50 A.E.
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Post by Fowler on Apr 30, 2019 14:40:59 GMT -5
And I say this as a guy who carries a 44sp with a 255gr bullet at 1000fps for elk with complete confidence...
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Post by tradmark on Apr 30, 2019 15:38:43 GMT -5
When Seyfried killed that buff in 1982 or so with one of Linebaugh's very first heavy 45 colts he had no one with a rifle backing him up, he was just hanging his ass out on the limb. That was a impressive feat, heck he was proving a handgun could match up to those animals at all, no we know they are more than capable but it was because he was foolish enough to prove it. Hunting Buffs with a 10mm is a stunt in my opinion, a buff gun needs to have enough power to bust a shoulder and keep going on to kill the beast. Perhaps it does have but Im not going to find out. I watched Tedd Nugent kill a water buff with a 10mm Glock but then he also emptied the entire magazine into the animal before it tipped over. All animals if punched through both lungs and given enough time will die of course, its just a question of how quickly and humanely. And if they will die quickly enough to be recovered as well. I don't know where that fuzzy line for what is reasonable power barrier for something like a cape buff is but I dont view it as the world of semi auto guns, YMMV... What did you use on your cape buffalo? All large bovines of the cape buff and waterbuff variety will remain upright for at least 30 seconds or more with heart blown out unless you hit the spine or cns. This means any competent shot can emoty a mag into them if they stay put at the first shot before they fall doesnt mean they had to. Nugent did what any responsible hunter would do and that is to shoot till it drops. Ive seen 475’s take over 10 hits with good loads. I agree the cast bullets dont do well on these. I think cast bullets are the stunt imho. Btw, bison dont count. Not tough per se.
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Post by Markbo on Apr 30, 2019 17:47:38 GMT -5
And he did it with a red dot sight.
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Post by whitworth on Apr 30, 2019 18:09:38 GMT -5
And he did it with a red dot sight. That means he’s smart. Beats not seeing the sight! :-)
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