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Post by cas on Mar 26, 2019 18:32:48 GMT -5
 This is an odd request, but curiosity has finally gotten to me and I need to know. I know for a fact that a S&W 45ACP full moon clip will fit into a full sized Blackhawk cylinder, because I've done it countless times. (I would put a clip full of empty cases in when I honed the throats, after reaming.) Though it would serve no practical purpose and would make ejection impossible,, I've always wondered if you could put the clipped cylinder back in the Ruger. And would it function? I never had one myself to try it on.
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Post by ncrobb on Mar 26, 2019 18:35:38 GMT -5
Ok, now that you’ve brought it up we have two inquiring minds that want to know.
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Post by bobwright on Mar 26, 2019 20:00:09 GMT -5
No. Why? Because .45 Auto Rim cartridges will not chamber in a Ruger Blackhawk without some machining work on the ACP cylinder.
The thick rim of the .45 AR does not permit loading due to the tight headspace. Hence, there is no room for the clip.
Bob Wright
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Post by bobwright on Mar 26, 2019 20:07:58 GMT -5
And further: If you will study a Colt or Smith & Wesson .45 ACP revolver, note how much space there is between the rear face of the cylinder and the standing breech/recoil shield. When ACP cartridges are loaded, without clips, the case head protrudes a considerable amount, which allows for the steel clips.
The Ruger Blackhawk lacks the headspace, which prevents .45 AR cartridges being chambered. Some have altered the cylinder either by milling off the rear face of the cylinder, or by counterboring each chamber to accommodate the rim of the cartridge.
Bob Wright
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Post by cas on Mar 26, 2019 22:55:58 GMT -5
So you're saying you haven't tried it. |
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Mar 27, 2019 2:26:11 GMT -5
As I have a convertible, I've never thot of trying ACP in the Colt cylinder.
But it works great in the ACP cylinder. So I'm set.
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Post by contender on Mar 27, 2019 9:00:14 GMT -5
Just for you cas,, I went & got a few of my 45 convertibles & a moon clip full of ammo.
In both a NM & OM gun,,, the 45 Colt cylinder would not even come close to being installed in it. The loaded clip sticks way out, and the rear gap between the cylinder & frame is very small.
In my ACP cylinders,, the ammo seated deeper,, but still would not let the loaded cylinder go back in the frame.
Just my checking of 2 guns for this question.
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Post by bobwright on Mar 27, 2019 9:03:21 GMT -5
So you're saying you haven't tried it. No, I haven't tried it. Observation was sufficient. Bob Wright |
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Post by Joe S. on Mar 27, 2019 17:04:57 GMT -5
So you're saying you haven't tried it. No, I haven't tried it. Observation was sufficient. Bob Wright I concur with Mr. Bob. |
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Post by boolitdesigner on Mar 27, 2019 17:51:27 GMT -5
It might fit loaded trying it off the gun. Since you don't know, try putting it loaded in cylinder the Blackhawk.
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Post by bobwright on Mar 27, 2019 19:34:20 GMT -5
It might fit loaded trying it off the gun. Since you don't know, try putting it loaded in cylinder the Blackhawk. Can you put a dump truck in your carport? Have you tried that? As I said, observation was sufficient. I know for a fact the .45 Auto Rim cartridges won't fit into the cylinder when its in the gun, not enough headspace. Therefore, a clip of .45 ACP rounds will provide the exact obstruction as does the AR rims. Bob Wright |
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Post by boolitdesigner on Mar 27, 2019 20:31:57 GMT -5
Bob, I was responding to cas.... not you. I've known it won't work since 1973. If he had of tried it he would know, but evidently he wants to talk about it.
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Post by buckelliott on Mar 27, 2019 23:06:14 GMT -5
The Math is against you.
You can't cheat the numberstwo xolid obects cannot occupy the samebspace.
As for your 1880's vintage .45 Cole brass ... Put it in a glass apothecary jar, and stick it on a shelf as a curiosity. It isn't worth the trouble to reload..
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Post by bobwright on Mar 28, 2019 15:43:07 GMT -5
The Math is against you. You can't cheat the numberstwo xolid obects cannot occupy the samebspace. As for your 1880's vintage .45 Cole brass ... Put it in a glass apothecary jar, and stick it on a shelf as a curiosity. It isn't worth the trouble to reload.. Are you referring to brass that is actually over 120 years old? Which may, or may not be, brass, but copper? The old .45 Colt cartridge itself, still has very much life left in it. Handloaded, and in a good Single Action revolver, rivals the .44 Magnum. Bob Wright |
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Post by buckelliott on Mar 28, 2019 22:29:35 GMT -5
1880's vintage .45 Cole cases will invariably be of "balloon head" or "folded head" design, and should NEVER be loaded to levels that Wil "rival the .44 magnum."
Consult the writings of Elmer Keith for reference.
I know a bit about loading the old .45 to high levels, in modern, solid head cases. Some loads as high as 57,000 psi, in a converted OM SBH, thanks to John Linebaugh and his magical chamber in reame, and a supply of FC .45 brass, and all the H-110 that would fit, under a 315 grain cast bullet.
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