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Post by Freedom on Feb 2, 2019 19:30:05 GMT -5
Years ago (pre-internet) I discovered that the 45acp casing would make a good jacket for a 475L bullet. I crimped the case and filled the fired 45acp cases with #6 shot and glued the shot in place with some hot glue. This is not a new idea and the swaging community has been doing this for years. I had some 50BMG bullets made from 338win cases filled with #9..Sure did a number on the badger that I shot with it! Most of the 475L bullets worked great, and at close range they would expand rapidly, as to not penetrate past 2 milk jugs. I shot a rabbit and a porcupine with them. The rabbit exploded and the bullet did NOT exit the Porcupine. I revisited the bullets recently with my 480 SBH and thought I would share a little of the adventure with you guys. This is just for fun! So please, BE SMART folks! This is what I did. I ran the crimp die body into the press until it hit the ram and crimped all acp cases. Cases are un-sized(?), polished, and still carry a spent primer. Filled the fired 45acp brass, with #6 shot and stood them in a cake pan. With a hot glue gun I added a dollop of glue to the top of each and placed the pan into the pre-heated oven at 300F. I forgot about them for a couple hours..lol I added more glue to each when they came out of the oven. I believe that most of the airspace was filled with glue. This may be a detriment to there "fraging" ability to add too much glue(?) but it did result in a fairly consistent weight of 265grs.  |
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Post by Freedom on Feb 2, 2019 19:52:14 GMT -5
Now to load them...
I measured and weighed everything!!
With the 265gr 480 frang bullets loaded to cylinder length in the SBH Bisley..the 480 had almost the case capacity of the 475L when the Linebaugh is seated in the crimp groove of my LBT WFN 420gr and 430gr LFN LBT.
Published data for the 275gr 480R is available...but since I have no idea of friction and pressure created with these bullets I started really low with my charges, fully prepared to "squib" ..I went sloooow with load workup.
Please don't ask me for data. Because I have no idea of your 45acp brass or your barrel dimensions, or any other variable. My brass only slightly engages the rifling, but recovered 45acp cases(bullets) show no signs of skidding.
H110...when I ran out of room in the case I was at 1622fps over the chronograph. Nice and powerful!
So I switched to a faster powder to get more speed.. Ramshot Enforcer/A4100 was the same story,.. ran out of room at 1615 fps.
So I went to my favorite "Fast Powder". Titegroup...I love this powder for the big cases!!! But make one mistake,.. and this powder has peeled the top-straps off of a lot of good revolvers.
With the Titegroup loads I stopped when I started to get pressure signs at 1395fps. I loaded the titegroup load and went to the range!!
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Post by Freedom on Feb 2, 2019 20:20:19 GMT -5
To the Range!... First I set up two 3qt juice jugs filled with water in a line. At the sound of the revolver, everything got an instant bath,..the chrono, me, my glasses and the gun!! The water came right back down the sights and soaked me. I can't say if the frang popped the jugs better than a WFN or HP would have...but the frang was disintegrated and stopped by the second jug. 100 yards seemed like a good distance to see if these are stable. The first two shoots were 2ft low and 5 inches apart. So I added elevation to my sight and sent 5 of the 45acp Frangibles. The 4th shot pulled the light crimp loose and tied up the revolver. I just pushed the bullet back in flush with the cylinder and fired it. The glue/shot load showed no signs of jumping from the acp case. Here are the results...Not the best group, but the bullets were still flying straight. The holes in the paper look "odd" but I saw that one round had gone through the wooden pallet board..the hole was clean&shiny from the sharp 45acp brass cutting its' way in. I thought it was pretty impressive for a full wadcutter at 100yard at any rate. 100 Yards 5 shots  The target/backstop is slightly visible just over the end of the frame.  |
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Post by Freedom on Feb 2, 2019 20:37:50 GMT -5
I was surprised to see these home-rolled, wad-cutter bullets perform so well at 100 yards!! And in all fairness, this is just about as good as I can shoot this beast at 100 yard! Just have never been able to control the vertical with this cannon. I plan to get some new grips and maybe that will help. I fired this group with 420 LBT WFN bullets after the Frangs.. It took a few shots to get my sights adjusted back to zero and them I shot these 6.. Why 6? because one missed high left of the target.. Always high and left as I start to fatigue with the beast!! 100 yards 420 LBT WFN 20gr H110 1120fps  I suppose that it may not matter how much coin one spends on grips, if you have both eyes shut and your head out of the way every time the beast goes off!!,,,LOL When I first got my SBH 480 I shot this vertical strung group with the ultra accurate Cutting Edge Raptors. As you can see from my targets, this just seems to be as good as it gets for me and the beast! 125 yards 280gr CEB Raptor  Stay armed and safe, Freedom |
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Feb 3, 2019 2:39:03 GMT -5
Cool !
Was the 3rd juice jug blown up also ?
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Post by bula on Feb 3, 2019 8:46:36 GMT -5
I'm gonna empty some 40 S&W brass today thru a Sub-2000 carbine and last night found a nearby friend that's sitting on some empty 45acp brass. So making progress. Plenty of shotshells of all kinds and several gauges in the basement. My next concern is how to give a bit of crimp to the 40 and 45 hulls. Don't otherwise reload for them, no dies here for them and as pistol rounds they wouldn't get a roll crimp..?
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Post by Freedom on Feb 3, 2019 11:14:42 GMT -5
Cool ! Was the 3rd juice jug blown up also ? There was only 2 juice jugs. The 45acp shell's base was found in the second jug. They look like brass flowers. . As far a crimping the 45's, it would be nice to have a bottle-neck die to cut. Wonder if you could use the shoulder area to form an ogive to the 45 brass.? |
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Post by magnumwheelman on Feb 3, 2019 11:17:45 GMT -5
My mind is wandering... Wondering if the 45 cases could be loaded upside down of how the OP loaded them... Popping the primer 1st, making a hollow point of sorts... Maybe crimping a gas check into the 45 Case mouth if needed to keep from burning the glue up against the powder???
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Post by Freedom on Feb 3, 2019 11:22:41 GMT -5
My mind is wandering... Wondering if the 45 cases could be loaded upside down of how the OP loaded them... Popping the primer 1st, making a hollow point of sorts... Maybe crimping a gas check into the 45 Case mouth if needed to keep from burning the glue up against the powder??? Probably not...just because it is the base of the bullet that steers the bullet. If I had 45cal gas-checks I think I would try to crimp them in place over the shot, instead of using glue. |
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Post by cas on Feb 3, 2019 11:26:15 GMT -5
I can't remember who's pictures these were... but with the right swage dies you can make "regular" bullets.   |
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Post by bula on Feb 3, 2019 11:43:34 GMT -5
The needle on the cool meter just got pegged !
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Post by squigz on Feb 3, 2019 12:57:30 GMT -5
This is awesome. Thank God I have a bunch of range brass to sort through for some 45 hulls and possibly having this work out.
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Post by boolitdesigner on Feb 3, 2019 13:19:41 GMT -5
. As far a crimping the 45's, it would be nice to have a bottle-neck die to cut. Wonder if you could use the shoulder area to form an ogive to the 45 brass.? RCBS makes reloading, form and trim dies for the 45 ACP shotshell... made out of 308 brass. What you're asking for exists in that trim die. You may or may not have to take a little off the bottom of the die, but I'm going to try it when I have time. |
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Post by Freedom on Feb 3, 2019 14:15:39 GMT -5
. As far a crimping the 45's, it would be nice to have a bottle-neck die to cut. Wonder if you could use the shoulder area to form an ogive to the 45 brass.? RCBS makes reloading, form and trim dies for the 45 ACP shotshell... made out of 308 brass. What you're asking for exists in that trim die. You may or may not have to take a little off the bottom of the die, but I'm going to try it when I have time. Wow, great idea! I'll bet that die would roll the edges of the 45 case in around a gas-check real nice and tidy. I once considered adding swaging to my hobbies... but its a lot more involved than a sack of birdshot and some glue..LOL Here is the fellow that makes the swaging dies for making the "actual" bullets. castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?114-BT-Sniper |
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Post by flattopdan on Feb 3, 2019 20:39:44 GMT -5
I think there was a guy on the castboolits forum that was making swage dies to make bullets like this.
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