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Post by AdamARM on Nov 15, 2018 1:49:08 GMT -5
Hi,
So, my transfer bar just popped off of my 357 Heritage.
I did about 10 dry fires to work on my trigger pull, and the pop it goes.
I read that dry fires are bad for rim-fire, because it pushes the pin against the cylinder. But, are dry fires ok for center fire? ( I thought it was ok because the firing pin will not hit anything in the center of the cylinder)?
I guess not, because... well... there it goes.
I will try to get it fixed if it is reasonable (it still should be under warranty). I have had too much fun with this little gun, but maybe it is time for an upgrade?
-Adam
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Post by Encore64 on Nov 15, 2018 7:38:57 GMT -5
If you'll remember, most of us recommended the Uberti when first posted your two choices.
Sorry about the issues you are facing, but the knowledge of these forum members is second to none.
Hope it works out for you...
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Post by bradshaw on Nov 15, 2018 8:16:15 GMT -5
“.... read that dry fires are bad for rim-fire, because it pushes the pin against the cylinder. But, are dry fires ok for center fire?” ----Adam
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Others may offer guidance on your Heritage .22 LR.
As for advisability of dry firing modern cartridge firearms, it boils down to make & model.
A few DRY FIRE notes: * Ruger----NAKED dry fire seems to do no damage to any model or caliber handgun or rifle. The Red Label shotgun survives dry fire perhaps better than any other shotgun. I’ve never broken a Ruger firing pin, centerfire or rimfire. After I broke a Super Blackhawk transfer bar in pursuit of a record, Bill Ruger, Jr., put a SBH in the dry fire machine in Southport, ran it for a week. Nothing broke. He shut off the dry fire machine, as the electricity to run it any more would “... cut into beer money." * Smith & Wesson----I do not NAKED dry fire S&W revolvers as avidly as a Ruger. Nevertheless, Smiths have accumulated substantial dry fire in my hands, including the great K-22, without a single problem. * Colt Python----I have broken the Python firing pin in NAKED dry fire. * Colt Peacemaker----no naked dry fire. Strong snap caps, leather or rubber cushion in hammer slot o.k. * Shotguns----in general should not be dry fired without snap caps. * Rifles such as the M1 Garand and Remington M700, among many other semi-auto and bolt actions, may be dry fired indefinitely. * I refrain from naked dry fire on old Mausers ands any late 19th Century rifles. * WW 2 and later Mauser Model 1898----no harm from moderate dry fire. Because FIRING PIN FALL is long & heavy, I refrain from unlimited naked dry fire. * Winchester Model 1894----“Model 94”----dry fire tends to peen bolt face. * Marlin lever action Model 336, etc.----dry fire may break firing pin. * Freedom Arms Model 83----dry fire breaks firing pin in short order. Only a STRONG snap cap cushions against breakage. My preference is to insert leather or rubber in the hammer slot to absorb dry fire. A weak snap cap delays, does not prevent, M83 firing pin breakage. * Browning’s 1911----dry fire doesn’t bother. * Some auto pistols with firing pin blocks peen firing pin and block on extended dry fire. * Some .22 LR and other rimfires should not be dry fired without a fired casing. This includes some contemporary pistols----manufacturers of which should know better! * Some .22s allow firing pin to strike edge of barrel unless a round is chambered. This interference (contact) immediately peens the softer steel on a rimfire barrel. * Ruger .22 Auto Pistol----unlimited naked dry fire.
My rule on DRY FIRE: if you don’t know it’s o.k., don’t do it. David Bradshaw
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Post by lazytcross on Nov 15, 2018 10:00:36 GMT -5
Very interesting. Good information. Lots of details there that I didn’t know
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Post by goodtime on Nov 15, 2018 18:46:33 GMT -5
I broke a Ruger Blackhawk transfer bar by dry firing. I remember reading a knowledgable poster here who decsribed transfer bars as wear items, to be replaced regularly.
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Post by bradshaw on Nov 15, 2018 18:58:48 GMT -5
I broke a Ruger Blackhawk transfer bar by dry firing. I remember reading a knowledgable poster here who decsribed transfer bars as wear items, to be replaced regularly. ***** This assessment does not conform to the biggest performance platform magnums ever had----handgun silhouette. The transfer bar is intended for a loose fit between HAMMER FACE and FRAME. A pinch fit (inteference fit) subjects transfer bar to much more shock. Granted, it is possible for a slip-fit transfer bar to fail, but the Firing Line doesn’t lie, and no since person can duplicate the accumulated knowledge of mass competition. The transfer bar which broke at the end of an IHMSA tournament was the standard factory loose fit. Anyone who believes the transfer bar is a wear item, “to be replaced regularly,” should do so for his or her own peace of mind. There is no point losing sleep over it. Meanwhile, back in the jungle, us Critters of Antiquity carry on as is. David Bradshaw
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Post by seminolewind on Nov 15, 2018 20:12:08 GMT -5
"Critters of antiquity", damn, I resemble that remark!
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Post by bigmuddy on Nov 15, 2018 20:59:19 GMT -5
I broke a transfer bar dry firing a Vaquero. It had an action job so maybe it had been thinned? I also broke a firing pin on a Vaquero dry firing. This in my early CAS days and I dry fired a lot to master duelist and then gunfighter categories.
One dry fire on a M83 FA verified what David said.
It has been said that I could break an anvil in a sand pile so........
Dan
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Post by taffin on Nov 15, 2018 22:02:42 GMT -5
Hi, So, my transfer bar just popped off of my 357 Heritage. I did about 10 dry fires to work on my trigger pull, and the pop it goes.
I read that dry fires are bad for rim-fire, because it pushes the pin against the cylinder. But, are dry fires ok for center fire? ( I thought it was ok because the firing pin will not hit anything in the center of the cylinder)?
I guess not, because... well... there it goes.
I will try to get it fixed if it is reasonable (it still should be under warranty). I have had too much fun with this little gun, but maybe it is time for an upgrade?
-Adam
IF YOU MUST DRY-FIRE THAT IS WHY THEY MAKE SNAP CAPS. ALSO A PIECE OF LEATHER CAN BE PLACED IN THE FRAME FOR THE HAMMER TO HIT INSTEAD OF STEEL HITTING STEEL.
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Post by AdamARM on Nov 15, 2018 23:26:14 GMT -5
If you'll remember, most of us recommended the Uberti when first posted your two choices. Yep!. You are right! I went with Heritage primarily because they are a local company in the city I live. When possible, I try to buy local goods to support jobs in my area. (may not be fully relevant because Heritage is owned by a larger company... but you get the idea).
Heritage Customer service was very pleasant to work with and they said it will be fixed b/c it is under warranty.
>> IF YOU MUST DRY-FIRE THAT IS WHY THEY MAKE SNAP CAPS. ALSO A PIECE OF LEATHER CAN BE PLACED IN THE FRAME FOR THE HAMMER TO HIT INSTEAD OF STEEL HITTING STEEL.
-Adam
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Post by lazytcross on Nov 16, 2018 9:55:31 GMT -5
It’s well worth the invaluable practice, and the immense knowledge you gain on how your weapon functions and feels to keep dryfiring every gun that it is acceptable with. If you dry fire 5 different guns 200 times a piece and have one malfunction, you just did a lot of practicing! I have no idea how many times I have snapped a pistol or rifle on an empty chamber. Thousands I haven’t wrecked anything yet. I expect to someday but have excepted that! Right or wrong
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Post by pinkerton on Nov 16, 2018 14:51:37 GMT -5
I’ve gone through 2 transfer bars on a pietta in 45 colt just from use, no excessive dry firing. Each time they snapped at the neck of the transfer bar, and each time I’ve had to purchase the replacement part at about $43.00 plus shipping so even though I enjoy the pietta, I don’t know that I’d recommend it over other brands.
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Post by z1r on Nov 16, 2018 15:09:17 GMT -5
"Critters of antiquity", damn, I resemble that remark! I'm starting too. My kids already think I do! Lol.
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Post by z1r on Nov 16, 2018 15:10:52 GMT -5
If you'll remember, most of us recommended the Uberti when first posted your two choices. Yep!. You are right! I went with Heritage primarily because they are a local company in the city I live. When possible, I try to buy local goods to support jobs in my area. (may not be fully relevant because Heritage is owned by a larger company... but you get the idea).
Heritage Customer service was very pleasant to work with and they said it will be fixed b/c it is under warranty.
>> IF YOU MUST DRY-FIRE THAT IS WHY THEY MAKE SNAP CAPS. ALSO A PIECE OF LEATHER CAN BE PLACED IN THE FRAME FOR THE HAMMER TO HIT INSTEAD OF STEEL HITTING STEEL.
-Adam
I'm not sure a snap cap would have prevented the transfer bar from breaking.
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Post by gtojim on Nov 17, 2018 18:54:19 GMT -5
This may sound like a dumb question. Can snap caps be used only one time?
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