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Post by 45MAN on Oct 29, 2018 7:28:19 GMT -5
FOR BIGGER GAME I WANT BULLET INTEGRITY AND A NICE FLAT POINT, i.e. PUNCH BULLETS OR BARNES BUSTERS, OR PERHAPS A BARNES MONOLITHIC HOLLOW POINT OR A SWIFT A-FRAME. I DO NOT TRUST CAST BULLETS ON BIG GAME UNLESS: 1) IT HAS THE RIGHT RECIPE; AND 2) IT IS DOING UNDER 1,300fps. XTP's ARE PRICED RIGHT BUT THEY HAVE THEIR LIMITS.
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Post by nockhunter on Oct 29, 2018 14:48:12 GMT -5
The 300g XTP is very popular for 444 marlin shooters.
Mike
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Post by razor on Nov 4, 2018 18:29:40 GMT -5
I got the bear! She weight 200lbs and it took four shots to kill her. I don't think any of the 240 XTP's exit the bear. I have some 300 grain SWC and tomorrow I am going to load up some 300 grain LFN cast bullets. The 240 XTP is great deer bullet but I don't think they are a bear bullet. I should have know better than to use them.The first shot I hit her in the should and she started rolling around and then took off. When she came in she was limping holding her front leg up. After the first shot she went about 75yds and layed down. When I to about 25yds I could see she had her head up looking around. I shot her again and she acted like she was going to get up. I put two more in her and heard the death moan. No more 240XTP's for me.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Nov 4, 2018 19:46:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the update,.......I like 240xtp but limit them to light boned medium game, or smaller species.
Trapr
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Post by leftysixgun on Nov 5, 2018 12:31:22 GMT -5
Congrats on the bear Razor! Speer makes a really tough (supposedly) jacketed bullet (Deep Curl) in 270gr and 300gr if I remember correctly. They supposedly are great for larger heavier animals. I wish I had remembered them when I posted earlier. But remember, I also havent hunted bears....lol Im glad you got one.
I went and checked Speer site and it looks like they may have dropped the 44 caliber 300gr Deep Curl. You may be able to find some old stock somewhere though.
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Post by Snyd on Nov 5, 2018 15:49:24 GMT -5
I got the bear! She weight 200lbs and it took four shots to kill her. I don't think any of the 240 XTP's exit the bear. I have some 300 grain SWC and tomorrow I am going to load up some 300 grain LFN cast bullets. The 240 XTP is great deer bullet but I don't think they are a bear bullet. I should have know better than to use them.The first shot I hit her in the should and she started rolling around and then took off. When she came in she was limping holding her front leg up. After the first shot she went about 75yds and layed down. When I to about 25yds I could see she had her head up looking around. I shot her again and she acted like she was going to get up. I put two more in her and heard the death moan. No more 240XTP's for me. hmm. So the question is... Did the bullet do it's job? I've seen a black bear soak up 2 rounds of .323 200gr Accubond at 2950fps and disappear into the thickest alder you could imagine never to be seen again. I've also killed griz, moose and sheep with it. After being hit with the first shot and then laid down, how long did you let her lay? Usually when hit hard they will run, lay down and bleed to death. Which can take up to 30mins on a bear. They don't need hardly any blood pressure to live. Is it possible she was dead after the first shot? Perhaps the second? In the end the bear ended up dead so the bullet worked at some point. Just because it wasn't a "bang flop" dead bear doesn't mean the bullet failed. I have a friend here in AK and a fellow forum member that has killed Brown bear with his 44mag Redhawk with Sierra 240gr.
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Post by lws on Nov 5, 2018 17:33:26 GMT -5
Sierra also makes a 300 gr. Flat nose with a harder core that is good bear medicine.
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Post by nockhunter on Nov 6, 2018 21:24:30 GMT -5
Bear are built a little different than deer, if you hit it in the shoulder you hit a little high and forward. If you would have put one a little lower and a little farther back, it probably would have two holes through the lungs. I have friends that have ventilated cow elk with lung shots and 240g XTP's.
Mike
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Post by 45MAN on Nov 6, 2018 21:49:56 GMT -5
Bear are built a little different than deer, if you hit it in the shoulder you hit a little high and forward. If you would have put one a little lower and a little farther back, it probably would have two holes through the lungs. I have friends that have ventilated cow elk with lung shots and 240g XTP's. Mike MIKE: IF I COULD CALL EVERY SHOT, NO PROBLEM, BUT I CAN'T DO THAT, SO I PREFER AN APPROPRIATE MEPLAT AND BULLET INTEGRITY TO LESSEN THE CHANCE OF BULLET FAILURE, JUST MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
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Post by nockhunter on Nov 7, 2018 1:23:38 GMT -5
Bear are built a little different than deer, if you hit it in the shoulder you hit a little high and forward. If you would have put one a little lower and a little farther back, it probably would have two holes through the lungs. I have friends that have ventilated cow elk with lung shots and 240g XTP's. Mike MIKE: IF I COULD CALL EVERY SHOT, NO PROBLEM, BUT I CAN'T DO THAT, SO I PREFER AN APPROPRIATE MEPLAT AND BULLET INTEGRITY TO LESSEN THE CHANCE OF BULLET FAILURE, JUST MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE. Hey, I get it. I was just stating that it doesn't take too much to poke two holes in an animals ribs. Larger bones can be a whole other story. Mike
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Post by 45MAN on Nov 7, 2018 7:46:59 GMT -5
MIKE: I AM ALSO A SHOULDER SHOOTER AND THAT HAS A BIG INFLUENCE ON MY BULLET CHOICES, ESPECIALLY FOR LARGER GAME.
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Post by bula on Nov 7, 2018 9:35:55 GMT -5
A good job on getting the job done ! Congrats. You used what you had and made it work.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 10:43:06 GMT -5
Congrats on the bear Razor! Speer makes a really tough (supposedly) jacketed bullet (Deep Curl) in 270gr and 300gr if I remember correctly. They supposedly are great for larger heavier animals. I wish I had remembered them when I posted earlier. But remember, I also havent hunted bears....lol Im glad you got one. I went and checked Speer site and it looks like they may have dropped the 44 caliber 300gr Deep Curl. You may be able to find some old stock somewhere though. I use the 240 XTP and love Hornady bullets in general but may go to the Speer bonded softpoints. My carbine loads boost the XTP over its 1500 fps design velocity. It is wicked on thin skinned game, but leaves me concerned about performance on angle shots or a boar's gristle shield. The only reason I don't go entirely to cast bullets is that my guns have different groove diameters (jacketed bullets shoot well in all, but not cast without going to different diameters) and my Ruger Deerfield is a gas gun that requires jacketed bullets. The Speer soft point may be my answer. BTW, I do shoot a lot of cast 250 Keith bullets in my 629 and love them. The same bullet (.430) that the Smith shoots so accurately, sucks in my Ruger Flattop and 94 Trapper...Arrrrhhh!
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Post by bigbrowndog on Nov 7, 2018 11:02:23 GMT -5
Bula makes a fine point, make what you have work. I recall reading an article by Larry Weishun, bad spelling I’m sure, but he was hunting hogs in Texas with a Redhawk and some bullet l was interested in, problem was he brained both pigs. He may have well shot them with a 38spec. lead round nose, the terminal performance of the bullet was inconclusive and inconsequential. But it made a point, if confronted with a questionable bullet or one of unknown performance qualities place it precisely and it doesn’t really matter. Razor, made the best of his situation and kept hitting the bear every chance he had until he was sure it was down, instead of admiring his first shot and allowing the animal to escape, which so many do.
Trapr
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Post by nockhunter on Nov 7, 2018 17:30:26 GMT -5
MIKE: I AM ALSO A SHOULDER SHOOTER AND THAT HAS A BIG INFLUENCE ON MY BULLET CHOICES, ESPECIALLY FOR LARGER GAME. I'm with ya, I prefer the 300g XTP. Mike
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