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Post by bushog on Dec 15, 2017 11:14:50 GMT -5
Belly laugh!!!!
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Post by boolitdesigner on Dec 15, 2017 21:11:59 GMT -5
Not me! I was doing my level best to confuse you!! Wa Haha. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha............... I'm going to have to remember that and use it on ole Fermin sometime. |
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Post by 2 Dogs on Dec 15, 2017 23:03:32 GMT -5
Not me! I was doing my level best to confuse you!! Wa Haha. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha............... I'm going to have to remember that and use it on ole Fermin sometime. Ok, Bob, I really appreciate you making me out to be some smarter than I actually am. Kinda makes me feel good. Which is different from most of the time when I talk to you. It's not that I don't appreciate all the technical details, or the way to explain them to the feeble minded, it's the headaches.... |
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Post by boolitdesigner on Dec 16, 2017 17:50:02 GMT -5
Ask questions to avoid headaches ........ that's the way to understand something. And "I was(n't) doing my level best to confuse you" either. Hee hee hee!
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Post by contender on Dec 17, 2017 22:08:12 GMT -5
I'm a die hard Ruger collector,, and I've not had any of my fellow collectors complain about a stamped main frame, after it had been converted. UNLESS,,, they didn't get the original parts put back in.
If the gun is a rarer variation,, and in good shape,, we do NOT complain about adding a nice one to our collections. And if it's a more common model,, we can easily overlook that out of sight little mark.
And to clarify. Yes,, legal liability is the driving force behind marking a gun. The only lawsuit old Bill ever lost was over an OM that a guy got shot with. It was a few years after the NM had come out. DUe to the NM design, the judge ruled in favor of the guy who was carrying 6 rounds in an OM, saying Bill KNEW he had a "defective" design,,, BECAUSE he had built the NM design. Well,, Bill got pizzed, and added the billboard warning,, and developed the conversion set-up. And to make sure nobody could sue them again,,, any guns they got back in for repair, got the conversion. Or,, they would offer the freebie conversion. And if someone (like myself,) re-converted the gun back to a true OM,, and an accident happened,, Ruger could say; "We put a safety conversion in that gun." Now,,, I've heard they have stopped marking the frames,, & just keeping records of which guns they convert. I haven't verified that one yet.
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 18, 2017 6:11:00 GMT -5
bushog and contender....
Bill Ruger, Jr,. set up retrofitting of New Model style lockwork in a brick building he owned, an old shoe factory by a dam on the Sugar River just below the Pine Tree plant in Newport, New Hampshire. A water turbine generator built in 1928 continued through Bill’s ownership. Bill, Jr., kept the generator in proper order and sold electricity. Ruger, Jr., set up the retrofit program here. The very first revolver to be retrofitted with transfer bar lockwork was done on my brass grip frame Super Blackhawk, done by Bill, Jr., himself. He wanted to see whether parts taken at random would fit without filing. After shooting the brass grip SBH, I then restored it with the original parts. “Why’d you do that?” asked Bill.
"That way, the parts can’t get lost.”
As it turns out, I misplaced the conversion parts, only to find the packet years later. The transfer bar retrofit could not at the time be scaled to operate properly in the Bearcat, and that is why the little pocket pistol was not originally included in the retrofit offer.
Bill did not stamp the frame, nor was mention made of stamping retrofitted old models.
David Bradshaw
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Post by contender on Dec 18, 2017 22:50:08 GMT -5
I don't think they started stamping the converted guns right away. But to hear you had the first one done by Bill Jr. is a neat footnote in the history!
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