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Post by Quick Draw McGraw on Jul 31, 2017 19:38:50 GMT -5
I'm really curious about this round and I don't know a lot about it. How do it compare to the tried and try 9X19mm? Pros and cons?
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Post by 450ak on Jul 31, 2017 20:36:45 GMT -5
Been shooting a Colt government for several years. All stock except for sights and springs. Most of my loads are with power pistol but AA#7 in starline plus p plus brass is very interesting. Lately have been running a NOE 155 grain mold in solid cup and hollow point. My old buddy has the same pistol with the same results as mine. Easily in the mid twelve hundred feet per second with this heavy bullet. We've been shooting the dot torture target this summer and all I'm shooting is the super. Stuck at seven steps for a while..... I took it to Florida last winter and killed some varmints with it. I absolutely love the cartridge, in fact tomorrow I'm ordering the parts to make a CCO lightweight in super. Shot gallon water jugs, the 160 solid went through eight of them and was lost. The cup was stuck in the fourth jug on the exit side. The hollow point exited the fourth jug but we did find it. Been shooting a 1911 for a long time in 45 and thus us a real neat addition.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jul 31, 2017 22:02:22 GMT -5
The Super is just that. From 88 grain .380 bullets to 160 grain cast slugs it can do it all in a 1911. Chamber it in a sixgun, seat the bullets some longer, and you'll not only leave 9mm in the dust you'll certainly be in .357 Mag territory. Oh yeah, all this in a Single Six platform..,
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Post by cmillard on Aug 1, 2017 9:41:40 GMT -5
well, here in iowa, you can hunt deer with .38 super in a handgun but can not use 9mm para. .38 super gives you a little more capability if needed.
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Post by JM on Aug 1, 2017 10:13:24 GMT -5
I've been interested in a Super 38 1911 for a while. I have not pursued it though due to the lack of factory ammo availability. I hand load for revolver cartridges, but still like to have the option of store bought ammo available. Can't recall ever seeing a box of Super 38 on a shelf.
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Post by ss30378 on Aug 1, 2017 17:41:14 GMT -5
Not sure what your goals are but a 9x19 loaded long in a large frame can be done with a throated barrel. That way you have cheap and plentiful brass.
I have a g20 9mm 6" conversion barrel and throated the barrel so I could load 9x19 brass with 357mag bullets to 38s/9x23 length (1.280"). I can't load light bullets out to that oal but with 147gr on up it works great. Max load of 800x under a 180gr wfn bullet has hit 1300fps.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Aug 1, 2017 18:28:01 GMT -5
Just like a 38 spec. Can be made to be close to a 357m, or a 44 spec. Can be close to a 44m, yes a 9x19 can be made close to a 38Super, but it requires special attention, special modifications, special precautions, if those special considerations are given to the 38Super then it will leave the 9x19 in the dust. Texas Rangers first utilized the 38 super for its "armor piercing" or penetrative qualities against the gangsters and bootleggers, and added capacity of the standard revolvers of the day. Today, the old standards 38super and 45acp still perform at the top of the heap despite all of the newfangled newcomers. I own both 9x19's and 38 supers, in a standard sized gun, 1911, 2011, Commander, etc. I prefer the Super, if a smaller compact gun is desired then the 9x19 gets the nod. Bigger, and more generally beats the alternative, unless you're talking about receiving an ars whuppin'
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Post by jfs on Aug 2, 2017 13:58:09 GMT -5
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Post by rjm52 on Aug 4, 2017 19:01:55 GMT -5
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Post by 9x23w on Aug 28, 2017 19:20:05 GMT -5
The 38 Super is a semi-rimmed case of which the general consensus is that it is inferior to the rimless design of most other auto pistol cartridges. Performance is better than the 9x19 but inferior to the 357 Sig. I would not trade one away, but on the other hand I would not buy one either unless it was an exceptional value.
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Post by AxeHandle on Aug 28, 2017 20:24:56 GMT -5
One fine cartridge... We pocket pool shooters prefer it over the 9mm for the centerfire match because it performs well at low velocities while the 9mm must be run warm to shoot as well. Never saw a 38 Super Comp (Rimless 38 Super), 357 SIG, or a 9x23 at a pocket pool match in the hands of a Master class shooter.
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Post by nolongcolt on Aug 28, 2017 23:21:31 GMT -5
Its a fav of mine as well, have a Colt 1911A1 Enhanced model in it. Great pistol, great round.
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Post by Quick Draw McGraw on Aug 30, 2017 23:42:42 GMT -5
One fine cartridge... We pocket pool shooters prefer it over the 9mm for the centerfire match because it performs well at low velocities while the 9mm must be run warm to shoot as well. Never saw a 38 Super Comp (Rimless 38 Super), 357 SIG, or a 9x23 at a pocket pool match in the hands of a Master class shooter. ig How come the .38 Super Comp, being rimless, is not as good of a round? It seems counter-intuitive, but I have zero real-world experience so I assume there is a good reason for this.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Sept 3, 2017 16:11:48 GMT -5
Super Comp was used and was somewhat popular in my circle of friends and shooters. However in my opinion it didn't afford any "real" advantage over the already readily available 38 super. That goes for any of the rimless stepchildren, 9mm super Comp, 38 super Comp. 9x23, 9x21, 38TJ, etc. Early in the game, the rounds shorter than than 38 super were not very reliable in functioning, the Europeans were really the driving force in getting 9x19 to run reliably in the 1911/2011 platform, and make major power factor.
The advantage of the non 38 super rounds was finally realized to be only in the minds of the designers, and since all the special brass was scarce, expensive, and offered no real advantage they fell by the wayside. The one advantage to most all of the stepchildren was thicker base case webs, so they could be loaded hotter and still be safe. When USPSA lowered the power factor for major, that one "advantage" disappeared. Making the old timer 38 super, the obvious easy choice.
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Post by AxeHandle on Sept 3, 2017 17:31:50 GMT -5
FWIW the 38 Super is what they call "Semi Rimmed." There isn't much of a rim there at all. My personal issue came from running mixed 38 Super and 38 Super Comp brass in a progressive loader set up for 38 Super. The slight casehead size difference would let Super Comp cases jump the shell holder from time to time mucking up the progressive loading process. I have never had a 38 Super/38 Super Comp feeding issue in my custom 38 Super 1911s.
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