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Post by bisleyfan41 on Mar 1, 2017 13:33:50 GMT -5
Here's a 41 I just found on GunBroker. This is NOT a factory Bisley model; the box clearly shows this gun shipped as a BN-42 which would be the 6.5" regular Blackhawk. I've messaged the seller with info trying to help; we'll see how that's received. It's been Magnaported, but if you're looking for a fluted 41 Bisley and don't mind it not being factory-lettered, here you go. Whoever added the grip frame did a good job it seems. Anyway... www.gunbroker.com/item/625465170 |
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Post by bisleyfan41 on Mar 5, 2017 14:58:29 GMT -5
Here is a copy of my email to the seller and his response. He never refuted what the gun may actually be, but seems OK letting potential buyers be misinformed.
"Hello, pic #9 showing the box label indicates this gun was shipped as a BN-42 which is a regular 6.5" Blackhawk with the regular plow handle grip. Also, every large frame Bisley was shipped with a 7.5" barrel and the part # for the 41 fluted Bisley is RB-41, not BN-42. The Bisley parts on this gun seem to have been added later. As much as it appears whoever added them did a great job, you may run into issues if the eventual buyer tries to have this gun verified by Ruger and it fails. Just an FYI, trying to help out. I own 4 of the fluted and 3 of the rollmarked 41 Bisleys and like them a lot. Again, I'm not trying to harm your sale, just offering some insight and info to help. Good luck with your sale. Shane"
Reply:
"I bought the gun at auction just as it is, it seems I have all the information in the pictures needed to know what it might be. Thanks, Ed"
Buyer beware.
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Post by kings6 on Mar 5, 2017 15:33:32 GMT -5
Shot another note to the seller explaining barrel length and model number discrepancies so see if he finally does his homework and corrects the homework ad.
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Post by Paden on Mar 5, 2017 16:33:33 GMT -5
So, when I sell the New Model Blackhawk I've converted from a Bisley shaped gripframe to a plowhandle shaped gripframe, should I be obligated to refer to it as something other than a 'Blackhawk'? Must a gun which began life with a Bisley shaped gripframe forever be referred to as a 'Bisley', even if lacking a Bisley shaped gripframe, or should it be ok to refer to it as a 'Blackhawk'? Same goes for my New Model Blackhawk, now chambered in .500L; should it still be referred to as a .45 Colt gun, because that's what the s/n indicates?
IMHO, the only thing more silly than Ruger hijacking and tradmarking the term 'Bisley' as a model name rather than a simple gripframe shape descriptor, is proposing that once so designated, a revolver should never be referred to by any other term, regardless of it's current configuration or s/n.
And if a guy buys a gun with a particular gripframe, and in turn sells it in the same configuration, what crime is he committing by describing it in self evident terms, to the best of his knowledge and ability, even if his limited knowledge leads him to assume it came from the factory so configured?
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Post by kings6 on Mar 5, 2017 16:57:04 GMT -5
No problem as long as long as one is up front with the work none in the past. The problem with the ad in question is the seller describes it as one of the relatively rare fluted bisley 41. If I was looking to buy a rare model and later found out it would not letter as such I would be rightfully upset since I had made a financial decision based on information that was supplied but knowingly false at the time. For heavens sake, I am one of the most guilty Ruger converters but I would never lead someone to believe I was selling something that it was not. Kind of like selling a classic car that I had rebadged and not told the buyer.
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Post by kings6 on Mar 5, 2017 17:03:07 GMT -5
Just a note, the seller responded back in a very polite manner and edited his ad to show that based on the box designation it may have started out as a standard grip framed blackhawk. That is all a guy can ask for in this situation.
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Post by Paden on Mar 5, 2017 17:46:17 GMT -5
Kind of like selling a classic car that I had rebadged and not told the buyer. I read it more akin to an F-150 with optional OEM buckets instead of the original bench, installed by the first owner, unbeknownst to the second owner who is now trying to sell it; still an F-150 sporting F-150 parts options available during the same model year. |
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Post by kings6 on Mar 5, 2017 17:53:40 GMT -5
Ok, just different perspectives I guess.
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Post by JM on Mar 5, 2017 18:12:39 GMT -5
Remember when "Honesty Is The Best Policy" was well known?
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Post by bisleyfan41 on Mar 8, 2017 21:51:57 GMT -5
No problem as long as long as one is up front with the work none in the past. The problem with the ad in question is the seller describes it as one of the relatively rare fluted bisley 41. If I was looking to buy a rare model and later found out it would not letter as such I would be rightfully upset since I had made a financial decision based on information that was supplied but knowingly false at the time. For heavens sake, I am one of the most guilty Ruger converters but I would never lead someone to believe I was selling something that it was not. Kind of like selling a classic car that I had rebadged and not told the buyer. Agreed Robb. Couldn't have said it better myself. I couldn't care less if he sells it as the shooter it is. And whoever added the Bisley parts did a fine job. It should be a fine shooter. If somebody wants a 41 with the Bisley frame and doesn't mind it not being original, fine. But to advertise it as being one of the rare fluted 41 Bisleys when it's not one, is wrong. Kudos to the seller for adding info to the ad to better inform potential buyers. |
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