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Post by paulg on Feb 28, 2017 6:24:46 GMT -5
Has anyone played with one of these new variants yet? Friend of mine has narrowed his next gun purchase down to this or a Sig P320. Neither of us has handled this new Smith yet but they have gotten good reviews overall.
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Post by awp101 on Feb 28, 2017 11:17:45 GMT -5
I'm a little curious myself. The original Sigmas turned me off of polymer S&Ws to the point that I've never given any consideration to the M&P line other than the M&P Bodyguard .380. I'm happy with that one but it's a different trigger system than the M&P.
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Post by Otony on Feb 28, 2017 13:51:54 GMT -5
We have four in the shop right now. Many cosmetic improvements, and an additional size grip insert for a total of four sizes.
Grip has greatly improved texture, almost too rough for some. Slide has new contours.
The triggers have and have not been improved. The actual let-off is terrific, but the travel beforehand is very quirky. The ones we have demonstrate rough, notchy travel, in about three or four stages before the excellent release. So for all the much ballyhooed talk about better triggers, I can guarantee you will STILL need to smooth these out. YMMV
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Post by dougader on Feb 28, 2017 15:06:50 GMT -5
I was wondering this myself, Paul. Good question. awp101: Yeah, the Sigma was a real stinker. |
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Post by ezekiel38 on Mar 1, 2017 2:36:44 GMT -5
I have three M&Ps, all compacts, one in 9, then 40 and one in 45. They all have Apex Tactical USBs and hard sears. World of difference in all three. All to the better, still a long take up but no glitches and the triggers break at 5 pounds.
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Post by paulg on Mar 1, 2017 6:20:09 GMT -5
We have four in the shop right now. Many cosmetic improvements, and an additional size grip insert for a total of four sizes. Grip has greatly improved texture, almost too rough for some. Slide has new contours. The triggers have and have not been improved. The actual let-off is terrific, but the travel beforehand is very quirky. The ones we have demonstrate rough, notchy travel, in about three or four stages before the excellent release. So for all the much ballyhooed talk about better triggers, I can guarantee you will STILL need to smooth these out. YMMV Otony Can these triggers be smoothed out or is your only option dropping in a different trigger system? Thanks for information. |
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Post by Otony on Mar 1, 2017 10:13:06 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge, you can do a trigger job. I've heard that if you call and complain to S&W about the grittiness and notchy feel, that there is the possibility of them sending you a shipping label so that they can perform a trigger job gratis. Not sure if that is true, but it doesn't hurt to inquire.
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Post by awp101 on Mar 1, 2017 11:02:13 GMT -5
The triggers have and have not been improved. The actual let-off is terrific, but the travel beforehand is very quirky. The ones we have demonstrate rough, notchy travel, in about three or four stages before the excellent release. So for all the much ballyhooed talk about better triggers, I can guarantee you will STILL need to smooth these out. YMMV Otony Just as a point of reference are the M&P triggers better, worse or just different from Gen3/Gen4 Glocks? |
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Post by Otony on Mar 1, 2017 17:08:17 GMT -5
The triggers have and have not been improved. The actual let-off is terrific, but the travel beforehand is very quirky. The ones we have demonstrate rough, notchy travel, in about three or four stages before the excellent release. So for all the much ballyhooed talk about better triggers, I can guarantee you will STILL need to smooth these out. YMMV Otony Just as a point of reference are the M&P triggers better, worse or just different from Gen3/Gen4 Glocks? I get to handle virtually any firearm commonly available on a daily basis, but carry either a much massaged Springfield 1911 or an equally loved Browning High Power that has been tuned. That means, unfortunately, that my standards for an acceptable semi-auto pistol trigger are pretty durn high. That being the case, I would rate the pull and travel of a Glock as better than an M&P but the actual release of the new 2.0 Smith is cleaner. Frankly, when speaking of striker fired pistols, the Ruger SR series are much better than either the Glock or S&W in stock form, but all are easily surpassed by the Walther PPQ or the H&K VP9. The SIG P320 has a surprisingly good pull as well. Just from personal use, the grip on the M&P pistols is superior to any Glock, but overall function and accuracy I would have to give the nod to the Glock. I live near a State Prison where the M&P is issued and hear a LOT of complaints regarding the .45s and a decent level of acceptance regarding the 9s. But remember, there are WAY more mods and accessories available for the Glock, if that matters. When I carried a Glock, and I did for a fairly long time, I would usually use the 3.5 pound connector, and remove the finger grooves. I also ran TruGlo fiber optic sights. That was it, no other mods, and I was happy until I realized I just couldn't stand wasting my golden years carrying a plastic gun. Then it was back to the 1911 and the High Power, with an occasional J-frame thrown in, or a GP100. What can I say, I'm old fashioned..... |
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Post by paulg on Mar 1, 2017 19:13:32 GMT -5
I've messed around with the P320's a bit in the gun shop. They're out of the box triggers are very good. I'd just been reading a lot of hobunk (that's a real word in central Florida) about how great the Smith 2.0 trigger is but I'd never played with one. Otony's experience has shed good light on the subject.
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Post by arokcrwlr on Mar 1, 2017 22:42:34 GMT -5
I have one of the Smith M&P Pro Series CORE pistols and I love it. I have a Docter red dot on it and it is a sweet shooter. The trigger does have a lot of take up, but after has a nice crisp break and positive reset. The grip with the various inserts is very nice - I have the medium insert on mine and it fits my hand perfectly. The gun feels solid and not cheap like a lot of the polymer framed guns do. This particular model is not meant to carry (although I suppose you could), but as a competition/range toy I recommend it.  |
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Post by awp101 on Mar 2, 2017 10:44:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the breakdown Otony, good information to keep in mind.
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Post by oldschool on May 17, 2017 7:34:10 GMT -5
We have four in the shop right now. Many cosmetic improvements, and an additional size grip insert for a total of four sizes. Grip has greatly improved texture, almost too rough for some. Slide has new contours. The triggers have and have not been improved. The actual let-off is terrific, but the travel beforehand is very quirky. The ones we have demonstrate rough, notchy travel, in about three or four stages before the excellent release. So for all the much ballyhooed talk about better triggers, I can guarantee you will STILL need to smooth these out. YMMV Otony Can these triggers be smoothed out or is your only option dropping in a different trigger system? Thanks for information. I have no clue about the M&P 2.0, but the Gen1 can be smoothed out nicely. I dropped an Apex hard sear in my M&P9c and with just a little stoning/smoothing of the top of the trigger bar, my trigger pull went from a notchy 6.5# to a crisp 4#. It is as close to a nice 1911 trigger pull as I've found in a striker-fired pistol. I'm sure most of Burwell's trigger tricks for the Gen1 would also apply to an M&P 2.0: www.burwellguns.com/M&Ptriggerjob1.htm |
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