Suppressors... anyone play??? could use some advice

[magnumwheelman]

a threaded barrel 45 ACP has been on my short list to buy... 2 years ago, suppressors became legal in MN

Dakota Silencers has had a table at the one gun show a year that I sell reloading stuff at... I got a flyer, but because I have table there, I don't get much time to hang around their table...

for those of you who play... did you form a trust??? Dakota does this free of charge

if you have experience with suppressors , do you have a favorite brand???

I'm assuming that being able to take it apart for cleaning is important??? but maybe a good soaking with gun scrubber every couple times out is sufficient???

I'm thinking I want one that will work on the 9mm, 40 S&W, & 45 ACP... with primary use on the 45

I've heard rumors, that the #2 guy at the BATF wants to deregulate them... if that should happen with this current administration, I expect there will be a run on them at 1st... but then the prices should drop significanly???

Thoughts or suggestions welcome

[crazycarl]

Use a trust. I do/did & it is SUPER easy.

Center-fire cans don't generally need cleaning, but I like the ability to do so. Can't help you on brand, as I only have a .22 suppressor (Thompson Machine, BTW & silly quiet).

ATF is backlogged big-time right now & I'm hoping/waiting for the Hearing Protection Act to pass. I think initial demand will drive prices up for a little while, until manufacturing can catch up with demand & then we'll see prices drop significantly.

[magnumwheelman]

a friend of a friend got one just recently... his waiting time was 8 months...

[zeus]

We haven't hit the July 16 applicants yet. I've been told they are adding folks etc to help but when we hit that pool of folks that went in last July, who knows what the wait time will increase to. I have one in that bunch and it's already been 8 months. Before that, it was slowly increasing from some of mine at 3 months then 5 now who knows how long the last ones will be. As far as a 45 can, I have a SiCo Hybrid. Plan to use it on a 45/9 at some point. I haven't even attached it to anything and it was picked up several months back I hate to say. I use the SpecWar versions and the Omegas much more often on rifles 30 cal and below. They are insanely effective and the SpecWar is my favorite by far if you start looking for a rifle can that is stout and won't break the bank.

[magnumwheelman]

hmmm... how about cast verses jacket bullets with a suppressor... assuming if you can use cast, that they'll need to be taken apart & cleaned more often... perhaps after each use???

[zeus]

I shoot no cast through mine. And a lot of the big centerfires are not built to be taken apart. There are a few that can but none of mine are.

[cherokeetracker]

Feb 14, 2017 8:19:13 GMT -5 magnumwheelman said:

hmmm... how about cast verses jacket bullets with a suppressor... assuming if you can use cast, that they'll need to be taken apart & cleaned more often... perhaps after each use???

Mag,,, I don't use Lead with my cans, I feel that there is a place for everything. You can shoot lead, but the can will need to be cleaned, more often.  Not all cans can be taken apart. Most all of the 22 size can be, since they do shoot lead. This is better for cleaning.  You would have to ask the manufacturer about shooting lead with their can.

  this is JMHO that I do not prefer to go with one size fits all type of can. I prefer a can for each caliber.

      To this, some say that there is not much loss of the quietness with an oversized can. ( 45 cal can, shot on a 9mm)  To this, you are going to find that each manufacturer measures their suppressors and all seem to measure just a little different. It is difficult to say which is quieter since all of our individual hearing is different, and all suppressors are not measured in the same laboratory under exacting conditions.

   But this didn't deter me from being a stamp collector and it shouldn't you.

 

    Suggestions.   Get a standard threaded barrel to meet the standard or what most Manufactures use. (Not some proprietary thread)

                     If you plan on doing a caliber change you will most likely need a can with a neilson device. My 9mm has one, for sure, but don't remember about 40 cal. Be sure to get all the bushings for the different calibers.

                 If you want a 45 cal choose a plastic gun like an H&K since sights are higher, otherwise a nice 1911 doesn't always work out so well. ( remember these are suggestions) Or you will need to choose a suppressor that accommodates, the lower sites.  Different brands,,,, look at them and think about this. 

                   Remember that depending upon the caliber you will possibly need to load or buy special ammo such as sub sonic in 9mm    Oh yeah you can shoot high V in your can but you defeated the purpose of having it on the gun.  That's why I always preferred the 45 over just about everything else. Just shoot hardball ammo in it, and keep rolling.

                  Look hard at your powders if you want to roll your own, some burn real dirty.  Several of the SMG shooters were using AA2 with their 45 ACP loads but it was so dirty everyone decided to go with something else.  WST has been better.

              This is not a suggestion but a common thing is, that each brand of gun may need a separate bushing than the next.  EX: a Glock and H&K may not have the same threads on their barrel but yet, are of the same caliber. Just a heads up. Not always the case but this does happen.  

             Be careful this can be addictive......

            

[magnumwheelman]

thanks for the info... I already agree with lots of your thoughts... will likely look for a cleanable 45 ACP can, & shoot lead through it, since most of my cast loads are subsonic already... though I do have about a 1000 FMJ I could use up if the cast bullets cause too much clean up or disassembly issues...

FIL had a Dan Wesson revolver we inherited... that had the ported barrel with the ported barrel shroud, where the ports didn't line up... he shot a lot of cast through it, without removing the barrel... the lead fouling was so thick, it was like the thing had been soldered together... had to have my retired machinist buddy actually cut it apart to change barrels... I could see this happening in pretty short order on a center fire suppressor shooting lead... but may not be too much of an issue if disassembled & cleaned every use???

[magnumwheelman]

This is the 2 brands Dakota sells the most of ( looking at the 45 units ) both are cleanable

www.dakotasilencer.com/template-pistol/

right now one of the top of my list, for platforms is the Springfield XDM ( I got the chance to put a couple magazines through it at a local manufacturers day ) & I thought it worked quite well... I also shot the Glock with a threaded barrel the same day & range session & I personally preferred the Springfield

also looking at the FN FNX Tactical... though it's twice the money of the Springfield... but I've not run across one to shoot yet...

I likely will leave whatever I buy on the 45... but would like the option of putting on on a "nine" because of many I own

[41freak]

I currently have several 45 suppressors, aac TI-RANT, Liberty Cosmic and a Coastal Mims (subgun can) the TI-Rant 45 is the quietest of them (wet or dry). Is it Hollywood quite no, nothing is... but it is hearing safe. With the pistols you have been looking at you will need the correct piston for which threaded barrel is in the pistol (more then likely. 578x28) if you want to use it on a fixed barrel gun there is a spacer that replaces the piston spring to make it a solid mount. Also don't be afraid to use other calibers thru it like 9mm, 40 S&W and 10mm (I dont remember if the TI-Rant is rated for super sonic 10mm or not but subsonic no problem.) You will be surprised how well it suppresses them.

[arokcrwlr]

I recently had two cans released to me after 8+ months. I went with a Rugged Obsidian 45 suppressor for pistol calibers and a Rugged Surge 7.62 for rifle. Both are multi caliber cans rated for full auto - Obsidian is rated 22lr through 45ACP and 300 BLK subsonic; the Surge is rated 22lr through 300 Win Mag. I also have an AAC Prodigy for 22lr.

I have used the Obsidian with 1911 and 9mm pistols and with my 9mm SBR Scorpion via a tri-lug mount - very quiet! It would be great to have dedicated suppressors for each gun or caliber, but it is not that hard to switch mounts for shooting a can between guns/calibers. For 1911 style actions (auto loaders), you do need to run a piston/Neilson device. For fixed barrel guns, you'll need a fixed barrel spacer or direct thread adapter. These devices/adapters are not cheap, so be aware that you can spend a lot of $$ after the cost of the can.

All of my cans are user serviceable which is nice for cleaning.

I went to a local suppressor shoot hosted by one of the large volume shops and was able to shoot many different suppressors on my guns and other guns, including full auto.
That is what sold me on Rugged suppressors. There are a lot of great suppressor companies, but the Rugged suppressors were among the quietest and had a full lifetime warranty.

I have a trust because my LEO would not sign off on NFA items. However, since 41F, any future NFA items will probably be filed as an individual because my kids are trustees of the trust and are spread out all over. Getting photos and prints for everybody on the trust would be a huge hassle.

[sportster]

I have a few but only one in the trust for a 45 right now. Silencer CO Osprey. Did some side by side comparisons of them at a suppressor shoot and found to like the Osprey more than the rest. I will not buy anymore since 41F took effect since the people on the trust don't live near each other. I sent my 1911 to Wilson Combat to have some work done and while it was there I had them install a threaded barrel. It was worth it to me.

All of the 22 lr rated ones are take apart because they are very dirty. If you get a take apart before you shoot it soak it in DOT 5 brake fluid. Reason is the silicone content in it will help apply a non stick coating to the parts internal and the carbon will not build up on it.

Most center fire ones are not because you don't really need too. As far as brands go we have SAS, Gemtech, AAC, Silencerco, YHM, and Thompson Machine. I don't have any clear favorites in the bunch but the one I use the most is my 7.62SDN6 because of the quick attach mounts. That and I can put it on any center fire rifle smaller than a 308 with the correct mounts.

They are very similar to the wait time for custom guns on here. You send them in and then it is best to forget about them. The longest I waited to get one was 2 years from the time I ordered it to the time I got it in hands. Right now I am looking at 1 year wait times from the ATF for the 4 I have in process right now.