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Post by nolongcolt on Jan 27, 2017 21:05:19 GMT -5
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cmh
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Post by cmh on Jan 29, 2017 11:42:47 GMT -5
Ive looked at a couple of them..... the slide to frame fitup was tight.... even tighter than a Colt twice its price. Very well made especially for the price đ
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Otony
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Post by Otony on Jan 29, 2017 19:02:11 GMT -5
I'm sorry to cast the dissenting vote, but the last one through our shop was about a year ago, and it was easily the worst example of a factory built 1911 I've ever seen.
Atrocious trigger, inoperable slide stop, and very poorly finished. The worst part was that I had warned the fellow who ordered it that even though Kahr produced versions were supposed to be better, I had never seen one that was remotely acceptable. He pooh-poohed my comments, citing Internet scuttlebutt as better than experience. Sadly enough, I was proven correct, but I at least had the compassion not to say "I told you so!", as this guy was pretty much heartbroken.
Having written all that, I, as the Prophet of Doom, wish you nothing but the best with yours. As an addendum, we've returned a fair number of Kahrs over the years as well. Nothing magic about 'em........
Otony
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Post by nolongcolt on Jan 29, 2017 22:29:57 GMT -5
Otony, I took this to the range yesterday and while I wasn't shooting particularly well myself my boy was getting better groups than I with the loads tried. There were a couple of what I call breakin bobbles, easily dispensed with as a new tight gun needing to be shot. All in all I was impressed and have no regrets on the purchase. At under $500 shipped I consider it a very good buy.
Does the one in my picture look poorly finished? That is oil in the pictures that didn't get all wiped off. As for function, all parts worked easily as they should, even the mag drops free.
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Otony
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Post by Otony on Jan 29, 2017 23:59:57 GMT -5
No, yours looks pretty nice actually.
The one this poor guy ordered wouldn't lock back on an empty magazine, no matter how many we tried. And the trigger pull felt as though someone had oiled it very well then carefully filled it with sand. Honestly, it was that bad.
I am very happy to hear that yours works and is breaking in nicely. Maybe his and the others I've handled were just a coincidence of Friday guns!
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Post by bradshaw on Feb 3, 2017 12:32:08 GMT -5
I'm sorry to cast the dissenting vote, but the last one through our shop was about a year ago, and it was easily the worst example of a factory built 1911 I've ever seen. Atrocious trigger, inoperable slide stop, and very poorly finished. The worst part was that I had warned the fellow who ordered it that even though Kahr produced versions were supposed to be better, I had never seen one that was remotely acceptable. He pooh-poohed my comments, citing Internet scuttlebutt as better than experience. Sadly enough, I was proven correct, but I at least had the compassion not to say "I told you so!", as this guy was pretty much heartbroken. Having written all that, I, as the Prophet of Doom, wish you nothing but the best with yours. As an addendum, we've returned a fair number of Kahrs over the years as well. Nothing magic about 'em........ Otony ***** Otony.... your articulate observations cannot be swept under the rug. Perhaps it is time for a manufacturer who proposes to copy John Browningâs old 1911 to understand that guns built by Colt before and during World War I maintain utter reliability for generations. Those guns were designed for ball and it is fair to limit an imitation to ball. There is no alibi one century later for failure to get the hardware and specifications right. I have discussed inferior 1911s with my friend, Ben âBear Manâ Kilham. Ben Kilham worked at Colt years ago, reporting shortcuts which resulted in stoppages. One of the old timers reached into a dusty drawer, pulled out the ancient drawings and said, âLetâs make a couple exactly to these drawings.â "We did," said Kilham, âand the guns worked fine. Sometimes you have to step back and look at what worked.â Ben Kilham wasnât finished. As I described reliability & accuracy problems with a Springfield Armory Trophy Match, Kilham said, âThey know how to make hardware. They just donât know how to put it together.â (The owner of the Trophy Match, among other things a silhouette shooter, sent the gun back three times without cure, then twice to gunsmiths, one of the smiths very well known. I shot the culprit gun offhand and Creedmoor @ 25 and 50 yards----side-by-side against an old Colt National Match and an early stainless Colt Series 80 with Bar-Sto barrel. The Colts blew the doors off the SA Trophy Match. (Note that this conversation took place twenty years ago. Iâve shot much better Springfield Armory 1911s in recent years, yet that memory remains. Believe the owner paid around $900 for the sinker.) David Bradshaw |
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Post by dmize on Feb 3, 2017 14:41:46 GMT -5
My son bought one of those used. I have no idea how old it is or who "made" it.
I had previous experience with "mil-spec" 1911's and swore I would never own one.
He already owns a SR1911 but being a military history nut he just had to have it.
To say I was surprised would be an understatement. It ate everything I had to feed it including 185 gr swc's,and shot them very well. I shot a couple 2-3 inch groups at 25 yards offhand.
The only thing that gun really "needs" is a trigger job.
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Post by nolongcolt on Feb 4, 2017 22:16:06 GMT -5
Shot it again today with even better results. Power Pistol is looking good, 6.5grs in particular and my 6.1 grs of Unique for 2 full mags on the red target, all at 50' benched indoors.   |
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Post by crazycarl on Feb 5, 2017 20:57:26 GMT -5
No dog in this hunt, tho a bud who is a USMC 'Nam vet & retired gunsmith explained to me that John Moses Browning designed the 1911 very precisely & purposefully, in that everything he did with the gun was for a very specific reason & purpose & that unless you knew the exact "why's & wherefor's" of every aspect of the design (from sear angles to the mag follower profile), you were treading on very thin ice if you tried to "improve" upon the design.
Damned nice lookin' 1911, BTW.
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Post by grinanddull on Feb 7, 2017 10:04:47 GMT -5
Just to clarify something that was posted earlier / put in my 2 cents the frame to slide fit has very little to do with accuracy, it effects reliably more than anything else. A little looser is better for cycling the action than a real tight fit.
Accuracy is more controlled by the barrel to slide and bushing at lock up than any thing to do with the rails. The barrel link to the frame connection via the slide stop is the only contact the barrel has to the frame.
One of the best shooting 1911s I ever saw was a Colt Gold Cup an old guy had that rattled when out of battery but at lock up would stack rounds one on top of the other.
I had an Auto Ordinance 1911 in the 80s as far as fit and function it was on par with most of the other 1911s in its class. Seeing how theyâre more or less âMil-Specâ if you want to change anything out the parts fit. The only work I did on mine was a little better sights, an ambi safety (Iâm a lefty), and so polish on the trigger parts.
So in my book youâve got a nice gun.
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