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Post by 2sheriffs on Jan 25, 2017 22:04:02 GMT -5
I was shipping a Ruger Blackhawk to a FFL a Minnesota. I took it to Federal Express in Las Vegas, Nevada and they wanted $111.00 and United Parcel wanted $93.00. Some people talk about $35.00 shipping. What do I have to do to ship them for a reasonable price. I took it to a dealer and he shipped it for $55.00 including his fee. Thanks for any help. I am having to sell some of my guns to pay my wife's medical bills. She is still in a rehab facility. after a bad car wreck back on November 14 last year. Ron
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Post by Paden on Jan 25, 2017 22:34:47 GMT -5
FFL's can ship USPS, thus the less expensive rate. A sympathetic FFL holder is going to be your least expensive option for handguns.
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Post by JM on Jan 25, 2017 22:40:01 GMT -5
I'm not 100% up to speed...
Last time I looked into it, an FFL can ship a handgun to another FFL through the United States Mail. A private party cannot.
UPS & Fed-Ex make their own policies & fees. The expedited shipping requirement was the solution to their employees stealing packages containing firearms.
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Post by upthewall on Jan 26, 2017 9:33:27 GMT -5
What I do is ship UPS or FedEx. According to their policy you must ship it overnight. However, there is no legal binding here so all you have to do is state that what you are shipping is 'computer hardware', insure it for the proper amount and send it on it's way. Computer hardware explains the weight and the reason for high insurance coverage and has yet to raise any further questions from the employees.
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Post by CraigC on Jan 26, 2017 11:24:40 GMT -5
What I do is ship UPS or FedEx. According to their policy you must ship it overnight. However, there is no legal binding here so all you have to do is state that what you are shipping is 'computer hardware', insure it for the proper amount and send it on it's way. Computer hardware explains the weight and the reason for high insurance coverage and has yet to raise any further questions from the employees. You can do that legally but if you need the insurance, they don't tend to write checks to folks who don't follow policies.
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Post by duke3026 on Jan 27, 2017 11:08:28 GMT -5
What you can do, is remove the cylinder. Ship that separately, from the frame. This way the firearm can be sent, as firearm parts, and shipped however you like. I do recommend you ship it two or three day.Its one way of avoiding, nonsense at airports as well.
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Post by Snyd on Jan 27, 2017 11:21:49 GMT -5
What you can do, is remove the cylinder. Ship that separately, from the frame. This way the firearm can be sent, as firearm parts, and shipped however you like. I do recommend you ship it two or three day.Its one way of avoiding, nonsense at airports as well. If you do this using USPS you are breaking the law. The cylinder is a part but the frame with the serial number is considered a firearm. pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm432.2 Handguns Handguns and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in this section, after the filing of an affidavit or statement described in 432.22 or 432.24, and are subject to the following: Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2 and the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 may be mailed between curio and relic collectors only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 431.3. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2, which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum that exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest, may be accepted for mailing between governmental museums without regard to the restrictions provided for handguns in 432.21 through 432.24 and Exhibit 432.25. Air guns (see 431.6) that do not fall within the definition of firearms under 431.1 and are capable of being concealed on a person are mailable, but must include Adult Signature service under DMM 503.8. Mailers must comply with all applicable state and local regulations. Parts of handguns are mailable, except for handgun frames, receivers or other parts or components regulated under Chapter 44, Title 18, U.S.C.Mailers are also subject to applicable restrictions by governments of a state, territory, or district. If you do it using FedEx or UPS and do not inform them it's a firearm one is also in violation of federal law.... A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm or ammunition, prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm and requires obtaining written acknowledgement of receipt. [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a)(5), 922(e) and (f); 27 CFR 478.30 and 478.31]
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Post by CraigC on Jan 27, 2017 11:55:20 GMT -5
Snyd nailed it. Shipping the serialized receiver in any form or condition IS shipping a handgun.
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Post by duke3026 on Jan 27, 2017 12:30:44 GMT -5
What you can do, is remove the cylinder. Ship that separately, from the frame. This way the firearm can be sent, as firearm parts, and shipped however you like. I do recommend you ship it two or three day.Its one way of avoiding, nonsense at airports as well. If you do this using USPS you are breaking the law. The cylinder is a part but the frame with the serial number is considered a firearm. pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm432.2 Handguns Handguns and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in this section, after the filing of an affidavit or statement described in 432.22 or 432.24, and are subject to the following: Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2 and the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 may be mailed between curio and relic collectors only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 431.3. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2, which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum that exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest, may be accepted for mailing between governmental museums without regard to the restrictions provided for handguns in 432.21 through 432.24 and Exhibit 432.25. Air guns (see 431.6) that do not fall within the definition of firearms under 431.1 and are capable of being concealed on a person are mailable, but must include Adult Signature service under DMM 503.8. Mailers must comply with all applicable state and local regulations. Parts of handguns are mailable, except for handgun frames, receivers or other parts or components regulated under Chapter 44, Title 18, U.S.C.Mailers are also subject to applicable restrictions by governments of a state, territory, or district. If you do it using FedEx or UPS and do not inform them it's a firearm one is also in violation of federal law.... A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm or ammunition, prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm and requires obtaining written acknowledgement of receipt. [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a)(5), 922(e) and (f); 27 CFR 478.30 and 478.31]
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Post by foxtrapper on Jan 27, 2017 12:31:19 GMT -5
Snyd nailed it. Shipping the serialized receiver in any form or condition IS shipping a handgun. X2! Heard about breaking the gun down and shipping as parts or getting a ups shipping box and dropping into one of their street side shipping stations. Personally I've had read in gun forums where a lot of empty gun boxes get delivered, trying to explain where your gun went and collecting insurance from carrier after skirting the rules would keep me up at night.
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Post by duke3026 on Jan 27, 2017 12:55:26 GMT -5
Yes! I should have been more clear on shipping U.S.P.S. Shipping via U.P.S. Or Fed Ex, there issue is a working firearm. Handgun may be shipped to a FFL in another state. N ow with that said! Here in my state of NY,these clowns have made it that. Any handgun must come and go FFL. I can't just ship to a FFL, in another state. Unless I use a FFL, from my home state. Exception, I believe is to the manufacturer of the firearm.
If the firearm isn't a operable one being shipped via FedEx or UPS. It doesn't have to ship overnight. Does the handgun need to ship to a FFL? Yes! Does the shipping carrier like this? No! There's no federal law stating a handgun must ship overnight. It's the carrier policy(s).
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Post by f3 on Jan 27, 2017 14:01:36 GMT -5
How do the cited USPS regulations above affect fedex and ups?
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Post by fanofthefortyone on Jan 27, 2017 14:56:33 GMT -5
Just ship FFL to FFL and don't worry about it. Ronnie
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Post by Snyd on Jan 27, 2017 17:03:54 GMT -5
How do the cited USPS regulations above affect fedex and ups? USPS regs have no affect on Fedex or UPS. However, Federal laws says if you are shipping using a common or contract carrier you are required to tell them you are shipping a firearm. The definition of firearm being what the Feds say.
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Post by f3 on Jan 27, 2017 17:52:24 GMT -5
I suppose what my question is, what is considered a contract carrier and what is considered a common carrier.
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