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Post by magnumwheelman on May 23, 2016 11:38:19 GMT -5
point of impact... as I'm going through looking at manufactured self defense ammo, for my various caliber carry handguns, most of which, are fixed sight guns... I'm curious if the manufacturers take point of impact & practice into account when they come up with some of these loads... I'll pick 380, just because I'm currently looking for self defense ammo that shoots to point of aim, on my little non adjustable auto... Ruger is now branding a no lead ARX type self defense round... www.midwayusa.com/product/284360/ruger-self-defense-ammunition-380-acp-56-grain-polycase-arxam I to expect, that these 56 Grain bullets are going to strike to the same point of impact, as a traditional weight hollow point, or to the "normal" weight round ball I might be using for practice??? a guy would hate to buy a box of every specialty self defense ammo out there, sorting through to find 4-5 that hit to point of aim, so you can then evaluate bullet performance... or do manufacturers actually take into account to make their ammo match existing points of impact, or at minimum hit to point of aim of normal self defense fixed sight guns in those calibers??? |
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Post by tek4260 on May 23, 2016 11:50:13 GMT -5
I think they take advertising, hype, profit, staged gel tests, etc. into account long before they take POI into consideration. That is assuming they even take POI into consideration, which is highly doubtful.
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Post by BigBore44 on May 23, 2016 13:39:28 GMT -5
It's sad to say the least but, I'm with Tek on this one.
I'm guessing that the all mighty $$ is more important than POA/POI!!
BigBore44
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Post by eagle1899 on May 23, 2016 15:19:21 GMT -5
From defensive range (inside 10 yards) I really don't think it would matter. Hitting a human under stress at that range will test resolve and nerve more than anything......
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Post by magnumwheelman on May 23, 2016 15:48:20 GMT -5
I agree... at 7 yards... how far can they be off... but I just put a taller from sight on my S&W 351 PD, as it was shooting quite a ways off, at 20 yards... no that I changed the front sight, I was able to light up the fiber optic, as well as the raccoon 40 ft into the tree, & hit it... I'd have never done so with the old front sight... point being, I need a decent match between point of aim, & point of impact, to use my carry weapon, for shooting varmints of the 4 legged variety... the last skunk, was dispatched much the same... I'm not really wanting to get within 20 ft of a skunk  |
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Post by bulasteve on May 24, 2016 7:59:15 GMT -5
It is a good question and you will not be the one that chooses the distance at which the fight starts or ends.
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Post by eagle1899 on May 24, 2016 12:24:11 GMT -5
Avoiding a confrontation is the first order of business. Most of the population does it UNARMED.
There are places I know that are trouble. I don't go there.
I have many friends in law enforcement. We talk alot. The places confrontations take place are no mystery.
The aftermath of a use of force situation is not a short or easy proces for us or Law Enforcement.
I don't know how a defensive use of force plays out in everyones mind.
I do know if I ever have to use a gun to defend my life it will forever change it.
What ammo you choose will be dancing on the head of a pin.
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Post by oldschool on Jun 18, 2016 11:05:26 GMT -5
point of impact... as I'm going through looking at manufactured self defense ammo, for my various caliber carry handguns, most of which, are fixed sight guns... I'm curious if the manufacturers take point of impact & practice into account when they come up with some of these loads... I'll pick 380, just because I'm currently looking for self defense ammo that shoots to point of aim, on my little non adjustable auto... Ruger is now branding a no lead ARX type self defense round... www.midwayusa.com/product/284360/ruger-self-defense-ammunition-380-acp-56-grain-polycase-arxam I to expect, that these 56 Grain bullets are going to strike to the same point of impact, as a traditional weight hollow point, or to the "normal" weight round ball I might be using for practice??? a guy would hate to buy a box of every specialty self defense ammo out there, sorting through to find 4-5 that hit to point of aim, so you can then evaluate bullet performance... or do manufacturers actually take into account to make their ammo match existing points of impact, or at minimum hit to point of aim of normal self defense fixed sight guns in those calibers??? I doubt manufacturers take in POI at all. With that being said, several years ago I was practicing at the range with my little Hungarian PPK clone (SMC-380). It was pretty much dead on at 15 yards with my favorite Federal Hydra-Shok 90 gr JHP ammo. As I was getting ready to finish up, I put in one last loaded magazine to shoot. As I shot, I noticed that the recoil & muzzle blast was varying, much like, "POW!-pow-POW!-pow-POW!". Thinking it odd, I reeled in my target, finding all 6 shots landed in a 2.5" circle, pretty much POA. It was then I realized I had just fired a mag loaded alternately with Glaser Safety Slugs (70 gr RN) and Cor-Bon (90 gr JHP). After I got over how much $$$ I had just sent downrange, I was pleased to know everything seems to shoot to the same POI in that little pistol! YMMV. |
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