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Post by nolongcolt on Apr 16, 2016 22:11:04 GMT -5
Been playing with some STAR 9mm pistols. Tried two different BKS models with the alloy frame, neither was reliable though. Now have the BM model which is all steel and basically a compact 9. This one works well and feeds Nosler JHP 115's just fine, as they have a roundish profile like an FMJ. Not the most accurate pistols, but adequate.
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Post by ezekiel38 on Jun 12, 2016 13:33:23 GMT -5
Update on the EMP 4". Have fired another 200 rounds through the gun without a bobble. Someone told me the reason that my gun was hanging up on the Hornady 115 JHPs with the serrated mouths was my slide was running dry, no lube. Lubed the slide with FP10 and the little 1911 feeds and shoots the Hornady round fast, slow or anywhere in between. I was taught to run 1911s dry, no lube, so this revelation surprised me! For me the gun shoots with a six o clock hold, and it is very accurate!
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Post by smirker on Jan 15, 2021 21:06:26 GMT -5
Ha! Someone read this old thread and brought me back to it. Well........4 years later and I still carry a Glock 22, Glock 31, Ruger Nightwatchman (Lightweight) and a Kimber Tactical Entry as my duty weapons. Depending on what I am doing and kinda what I feel like carrying that day. I am currently less than 6 monthes away from calling it and retiring. After 27 years of issuing Glocks, my agency is transitioning to Sig P320 Pro X Carry's (9mm) next month. Interesting gun. I bought a couple P320's last year to play with. Still not drinking the FBI Kool-Aid about the 9mm. May be a wise choice in a urban inviroment, but not my first choice. I have been carrying a Glock 32 as my primary off-duty weapon but have recently picked up a Sig P365. Interesting gun.....even if it is a 9 mini-meter
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Post by pacecars on Jan 15, 2021 22:15:59 GMT -5
I have never been a big 9mm fan and usually carried a 10mm in a 1911 or a Clements GP100 in the same caliber. I experimented with a few .45 ACPs and .38 Supers in 1911s but one gun that I always liked the looks of was the Wilson Combat EDC-X9 but it was a 9mm. Well finally after looking at all the advances in 9mm ammo I finally decided to buy one and try it out but figured I would probably carry it occasionally but I would still have a 10mm as my primary carry gun. Well as soon as I got it and shot it I have carried it every day now for the past year. It is a fabulous gun that as Bill Wilson said was built specifically to be the best gun for the 9mm. I think he succeeded
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Post by wheelguns on Jan 15, 2021 22:22:30 GMT -5
I have a ruger sr1911 in 9mm. I bought it used, and it was kind of an impulse purchase. I was in my lgs picking up a gun I bought on gunbroker, and it had a very good price on it. It looked brand new, and only one of the mags was ever used. It is the target model with the nice sights. It shoots good for $500.
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Post by ezekiel38 on Jan 15, 2021 23:11:58 GMT -5
Still have the EMP and it runs Gold Dot and any decent ammo (within spec) and it shoots better now than when I bought it. I'm running Novak night sights. I'm out of town with my wife on business and the EMP keeps us good company.
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Post by x101airborne on Jan 16, 2021 0:00:41 GMT -5
I will admit to a stupid mistake that attests to the Glock performance model. A couple years ago, while off duty I had my Glock 22 loaded in my offshore fishing boat in an Igloo ice chest where I kept my maps and such. We went from nice sunny weather to "oh sh..tuff" in 5 minutes. We were 35 miles offshore in a 26 foot boat. I ran like I stole something.
The waves rolled over and I beat that boat to death, literally broke the stringers out of it trying to save everyone onboard. We all had life jackets on and I was about to start throwing rods, reels and tackle boxes over the sides to get away from that storm. As I pulled the boat onto the trailer at the dock, the boat sank. I was so sea sick, I flushed the engine, drained the hull and didn't look at it again for a month.
A month later, my BIL asked to use my map. He came over and we went to the boat to find the ice chest that "used" to be my dry box had 12 inches of sea water in it. My handgun was green, slick and slimed up till you probably wouldn't recognize it. He asked if I thought it would be salvageable. "I dont know." was my answer and finding a sand pile in the back yard, I ran all 14 (or so) rounds out of it. It never stuttered; it even locked open on the last round fired. I cleaned it and to this day it is my second best friend. "Accurate?" well, maybe. "Beautiful?" Um, well... "Reliable?" Absolutely hell yes.
I buy every used Glock I find for a fair price. Dont care what caliber.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 16, 2021 14:34:25 GMT -5
Shot up a bunch of cars back in the 1980’s with a fair variety of revolvers and automatics, and loads. The 9mm Luger came out rather dismal, ricocheting off windshields, stopping in doors, etc. FMJ round nose is a prime ricochet offender, as is the old .38 Special 158 lead round nose. Cars are much lighter now, but expandable foam is used to deaden sound, and it increases the barrier effect. On livestock, the 9mm really shows its dependency on bullet design & construction. To out surprise, .45 JHPs exhibited more consistent penetration of car doors than 9mm’s. On livestock, the 9mm was very much dependent on bullet selection, with FMJ being very poor. The 9mm Luger lacks the MEATBALL effect of a .45 ACP.
Bullet placement isn’t always perfect on livestock, especially when the animal is loose, the executioner a stranger. 9mm Luger FMJ carries high risk of ricochet both outside and inside the animal. The old .45 ACP hardball carries a degree of forgiveness lacking in the nine. I had trouble getting bullets into the brain of a big billy goat last week. No way I could approach contact distance. My preference for a lung shot gave way to the farmer’s wish for me to make a brain shot. From belly to horn, the whole goat was dark as the inside of a cow and a challenge to pinpoint aim. I was packing a SIG/Sauer P-229 .357 Sig with worn out tritium, so the sights were black on a black goat blending into shade of gray barn.
The SIG was loaded with Federal 150 JHP. Don’t have velocity from 3.8-inch SIG barrel. Shot into a line of water-fillet 1-gallon plastic jugs:
.357 SIG----Federal P357S3 150 JHP
Shot #1 Penetration: 18”. Recovered weight: 150.7 grains. Expansion: .600 x .590”. Jacket/core intact.
Shot #2 struck a horn at pedicle and knocked it off. Bullet not recovered.
Shot #3 Penetration: 19”. Recovered weight: 148.0 grains. Expansion: jacket .82” x .55”. Core .50" x .48”. Jacket/core intact with incipient separation.
Both bullets exhibit exceptional penetration for a service of personal protection round.
Goat * First shot to side of head strikes just below brain. Distance about 12 feet. Goat drops to knees. Gets up, walks 10 yards. Penetration 5" to 6". Recovered weight: 106.6 grains. Jacket & core shear on bone; core fragments. Expansion: jacket 1.1” x.62”; core .53” x .37”.
* Seconds shot hit horn at pedicle and knocked it off. Bullet not recovered.
* Third shot to base of skull, right posterior. Distance about 40-45 feet. Goat down on his side. Bullet enters skull right side of back brain, stops in opposite side of brain pan, Penetration about 3-1/2”. Recovered weight: 119 grains. Expansion: jacket .54” x .52”; core .50” x .52”.
Cut buck’s throat, blood pulses out, indicating heartbeat. Saw skull in half, lengthwise, couple of days later. Mushroomed bullet penetrated about 3-4” and pulped back brain, including medulla oblongata. Front brain apears fine. Since involuntary muscles are controlled in back brain, it is odd to see blood pulse as though heart continued to function. Rear legs----not front legs----“ran” until blood drained.
Observation: water is a good & useful medium for basic bullet behavior. Excellent for recovery of bullet and repeatability of result. Living critters are another dance entirely. Some projection of load potential is available through water jugs, and folks around the world can compare this measure.
9mm water jug test Shooters may want to conduct their own 9mm tests on water jugs and post results on Singleactions. This way, a variety of bullets & loads can be compared without the burden falling to a single shooter. David Bradshaw
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