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Post by AxeHandle on Apr 13, 2016 7:06:26 GMT -5
Those EMPs are fine little guns... When you order the unique magazines consider recoil springs and firing pin springs too.
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Post by grinanddull on Apr 13, 2016 9:58:46 GMT -5
I've had and seen mixed results with 1911s in 9mm in the past but with the ammo and recoil springs available now days it would be worth looking at. That said I'd punch a bunch of ammo out of 1 before I used it for a carry weapon, 99.9% might be fine for a range match gun but cardboard and steel plates don't shoot back. A 2nd placed finish would suck in a gunfight. Good luck with it.
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Post by ezekiel38 on Apr 13, 2016 12:28:19 GMT -5
Thanks Axehandle, you're right calling Springfield today for recoil and firing pin springs! Grin and dull: I've got 500 rounds through this EMP Champion (that's what Springfield likes to call it) and it hasn't bobbled. I'm finding I shoot 9mm a lot more and faster than I do 45 today. Wasn't always that way but having signed up for Social Security a decade ago, I don't do much of anything as well as I used to. But the 9mm in a 9mm scaled frame is a breath of fresh life for me!
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Post by ezekiel38 on Apr 14, 2016 11:57:32 GMT -5
Axehandle: firing pin springs and recoil springs plus an extra firing pin ordered! Extra magazines on back order! MecGar is the maker of the mags! The gun doesn't like to feed the Hornady 115grain hollowpoint with the serrated mouth of the bullet. Feeds Gold Dots and Hydra Shoks no problem!
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Post by perterra on Apr 14, 2016 17:02:00 GMT -5
I've had and seen mixed results with 1911s in 9mm in the past but with the ammo and recoil springs available now days it would be worth looking at. That said I'd punch a bunch of ammo out of 1 before I used it for a carry weapon, 99.9% might be fine for a range match gun but cardboard and steel plates don't shoot back. A 2nd placed finish would suck in a gunfight. Good luck with it. I think 100% is an illusion. I can honestly say i have never had 100%, I have had at least one failure in every handgun I own, whether ammo related or gun related, its mechanical, it has the possibility to fail
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Post by ezekiel38 on Apr 15, 2016 10:31:09 GMT -5
One of the reasons I purchased the EMP is: it is a scaled down receiver to fit 9mm only! No spacers in 45 sized magazines and a plethora of other problems associated with substituting a smaller round for a larger one. As far as perfection goes, I've only fired 500 rounds through this gun and I haven't had a problem yet! I did find that Hornady 115 JHP with the serrated bullet nose has a tendency to hang up on the feed ramp. This was discovered while hand cycling live ammo through the weapon! Set that ammo aside!
Closest thing to perfection I have ever seen is when we (myself and helpers) were transitioning 122 officers from revolvers to Glocks/ Glock 23s/ 3rd gen. Literally thousands of rounds fired in a five day period and only one jam. That was caused by a round that was out of spec and it happened in a string of sustained rapid fire! Impressed with Glocks as machines, don't own one!
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Post by perterra on Apr 15, 2016 16:46:57 GMT -5
One of the reasons I purchased the EMP is: it is a scaled down receiver to fit 9mm only! No spacers in 45 sized magazines and a plethora of other problems associated with substituting a smaller round for a larger one. As far as perfection goes, I've only fired 500 rounds through this gun and I haven't had a problem yet! I did find that Hornady 115 JHP with the serrated bullet nose has a tendency to hang up on the feed ramp. This was discovered while hand cycling live ammo through the weapon! Set that ammo aside! Closest thing to perfection I have ever seen is when we (myself and helpers) were transitioning 122 officers from revolvers to Glocks/ Glock 23s/ 3rd gen. Literally thousands of rounds fired in a five day period and only one jam. That was caused by a round that was out of spec and it happened in a string of sustained rapid fire! Impressed with Glocks as machines, don't own one! I suspect I only had 4 or 5 rounds fail in the life of my G-34, thats probably 12,000 to 14,000 rounds. But had it choked when I needed it, then it might as well have choked every round. (I've never needed it thank goodness)
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Post by ezekiel38 on Apr 15, 2016 20:04:51 GMT -5
I agree, I hope that I will never need a firearm to use against anyone! Many of the screw ups I've seen or investigated from 1971 to 2003 were operator involved. One of the best things to happen to PDs and SOs was when 38 practice began to be purchased from commercial sources instead of off duty officers sitting at a progressive loader they didn't understand and didn't want to be there.
My favorite example is when an ISP Trooper who was working dispatch at Cottrell Weigh Station, in Idaho, and to stem the boredom had his Model 28 out and was dry firing at a picture of Custer's land stand on a nearby wall. Another Trooper, a rather angular, tall fellow walked into the dispatch room and noting the other Trooper had his duty weapon out and dry firing the second Trooper asked the first Trooper to put the gun down as he wanted to step through the room and into the line of the dry firing. First trooper refused said the gun was empty, second Trooper stepped into the point of aim, and there was suddenly a "loud boom"!Second trooper fell to the floor and started screaming for the first Trooper not to fire again. When the second Trooper stood up he began checking himself for wounds. The bullet had traveled across the front of his slim body and had cut his necktie in two just at the spleen area. He was not touched otherwise! Can't say that for the first Trooper. By the way Custer had a hole in him!
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Post by perterra on Apr 15, 2016 21:42:30 GMT -5
I agree, I hope that I will never need a firearm to use against anyone! Many of the screw ups I've seen or investigated from 1971 to 2003 were operator involved. One of the best things to happen to PDs and SOs was when 38 practice began to be purchased from commercial sources instead of off duty officers sitting at a progressive loader they didn't understand and didn't want to be there. My favorite example is when an ISP Trooper who was working dispatch at Cottrell Weigh Station, in Idaho, and to stem the boredom had his Model 28 out and was dry firing at a picture of Custer's land stand on a nearby wall. Another Trooper, a rather angular, tall fellow walked into the dispatch room and noting the other Trooper had his duty weapon out and dry firing the second Trooper asked the first Trooper to put the gun down as he wanted to step through the room and into the line of the dry firing. First trooper refused said the gun was empty, second Trooper stepped into the point of aim, and there was suddenly a "loud boom"!Second trooper fell to the floor and started screaming for the first Trooper not to fire again. When the second Trooper stood up he began checking himself for wounds. The bullet had traveled across the front of his slim body and had cut his necktie in two just at the spleen area. He was not touched otherwise! Can't say that for the first Trooper. By the way Custer had a hole in him! Holy cow, a beating would have ensued. I made the mistake of picking up 3,000 rounds of Winchester WR9 "range" ammo for something like $69 per 1,000, this was when white box or blazer was going for around $90 per 1,000. Been shooting either white box Winchester or Blazer with no real problems, then I got into the range ammo. One round would go pop, next one boom, then a bang, then a pop again. You could hear the difference in sound and feel the difference in recoil. I had a HK USP that would function with it but nothing else would. I think I still have about 500 rounds of it, in case I ever buy a 9mm revolver.
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Post by grinanddull on Apr 16, 2016 9:08:09 GMT -5
oh perterra I agree that chances are you'll never get 100% reliability in anything (too many variables that change) but it never hurts to try to limit the chances of failure to the minimum. one of my in-laws bought a 1911 para 9mm double stack that has never run right, other than return it to para he's tinkered with it from day one. I've had 2 colt combat commanders in 9mm one ran like a champ the other I passed on to someone else pretty quick to figure out the problem. I've got a buddy with a springfield 1911 9mm that is one of the best shooting guns I've ever seen. all things being equal just seems like sometimes you win and sometimes you loose on which gun you get. seems like ezekiel38 got a good gun.
as to ezekiel38 on glocks I'm in total agreement while they may not be 100% they tend as a breed to be real close. one of my favorite semi-autos of all time for shooting matches is the glock 24 long slide in 40, mine never dropped the ball, but I never had any of the others fail either.
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Post by ezekiel38 on Apr 16, 2016 14:56:29 GMT -5
Glocks reputation for reliability is well deserved, at least to Gen 3, I really like the concept but my hand and the Glock do not like each other, either hand! I learned to run them and usually qualified in the low 90s but not my best or quickest. Glocks seem to like guys with large hands and fingers, unlike certain politicians, I have average size hands!
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Post by perterra on Apr 16, 2016 16:41:26 GMT -5
Really I have had pretty darn good luck with just about all modern 9's except the Keltec PF-9. I had a first generation PT-111 Taurus that jammed the very first round I fired, but in a few thousand after I dont remember a problem. The HK USP, I dont remember a problem ever, I would not swear it never had a bauble, but I dont remember it, a Ruger P-95 started throwing brass in my face at about 5,000 rounds.
Theres some good stuff out there, regardless of the country it came from.
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Post by Yetiman on Apr 16, 2016 18:11:02 GMT -5
Glocks reputation for reliability is well deserved, at least to Gen 3 I had this in mind when I bought a used Glock 20SF last year for a woods gun and to experiment with 10mm. This was the first and only Glock I have owned or even fired. I could not get the gun to function reliably for the life of me. Rounds would hang up going into the chamber at least once per magazine even using Underwood and Hornady factory ammo. I tried different springs and guide rods and it only behaved worse. Two weeks ago I traded it for a Ruger Kodiak Backpacker 44 mag. I just couldn't trust the Glock.
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Post by grinanddull on Apr 16, 2016 19:26:18 GMT -5
"all things being equal just seems like sometimes you win and sometimes you loose on which gun you get. seems like ezekiel38 got a good gun."
and seems like you didn't, luck of the draw Yetiman.
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Post by Yetiman on Apr 16, 2016 20:10:47 GMT -5
Just goes to show that guns have souls and personalities.
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