300gr seirra in 45 colt

[bulasteve]

I don't play in the .45 neihborhood, so if the bullet the OP mentions is not a good choice, and he wants a jacketed bullet, what is ?

[bradshaw]

Mar 9, 2016 9:24:12 GMT -5 bulasteve said:

I don't play in the .45 neihborhood, so if the bullet the OP mentions is not a good choice, and he wants a jacketed bullet, what is ?

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Nosler .45 250 JHP. Pure lead core. Resembles the old Hornady 250 JHP, which was later replaced by the XTP series. Excellent deer bullet, as are its 41 and 44 caliber mates. Also, the Speer 250 Gold Dot HP.
David Bradshaw

[Encore64]

Mar 9, 2016 10:02:05 GMT -5 bradshaw said:

Mar 9, 2016 9:24:12 GMT -5 bulasteve said:

I don't play in the .45 neihborhood, so if the bullet the OP mentions is not a good choice, and he wants a jacketed bullet, what is ?

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Nosler .45 250 JHP. Pure lead core. Resembles the old Hornady 250 JHP, which was later replaced by the XTP series. Excellent deer bullet, as are its 41 and 44 caliber mates. Also, the Speer 250 Gold Dot HP.
David Bradshaw

Good information. I have used the 250 & 300 grn XTPs extensively and they are excellent bullets at 32,000 psi range loads.

Just bought 500 Noslers to try, so thanks for the input. Maybe good at the 20,000 psi range for my Flattop Guns.

[bulasteve]

OP says "am looking for a moose and elk bullet..".

[dougader]

OP states in 1st post:

Hello I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the seirra 300gr jsp .shooting it from a colt.If so how was the accuracy at 100yrds? And if your willing to share what load did you use,powder,primer.
Thanks for any input.

This causes some confusion about what gun he's using, an actual Colt SSA or a large frame 45 Colt revolver. I asked about it on page 1 and his reply indicates that he's using a large frame Blackhawk.

Mr. Bradshaw, I think, is going from the 1st post and gives advice under the premise that OP is using a med frame Colt/Colt clone revolver.

For a large frame Ruger, I'd go with a bullet like Paden suggests, or - my fav - an LBT WFN or WLN bullet at 1200 fps.

[webber]

There is nothing wrong with a 300 gr Sierra in a 45 Colt.
The bullet is hard. May very slightly flatten the exposed SP slightly at full 45 Colt velocities.
Many give advice to use a cast bullet that won't expand either.
So what is the difference?
No expansion vs no expansion.
Plus the Sierra has a sizable meplat too.
And no the bullet is not a truncated cone FP either or at least not the ones I bought back in November.
It has a rounded ogive.
The 44 cal. 300 gr is mostly a truncated cone design.

[bradshaw]

webber.... true, the Sierra .45 300 JFP has a slight secant ogive, as opposed to a straight truncated cone. The bullet hard a hard core, which, while I haven't used it, but from which I would not expect expansion in meat at .45 Colt velocities. Sans a widening of the meplat to mimic the punch of a wadcutter, this bullet scores low as .45 projectile I would take into the Big Woods----for deer, bear, elk, or moose. We have some loads & targets in the DB Photo series on .45 cast 335 LFN GC and powder coated 330 SWC PB (NEI 310), both of which I pack without hesitation.

Standard Large Pistol Primers are used with above bullets. As illustrated in the photo series, I prefer to DEEP SEAT, and to crimp on the ogive of the LFN, and crimp the SWC above the front band. Roll crimp for both.
David Bradshaw

[webber]

Mar 9, 2016 14:04:34 GMT -5 bradshaw said:

webber.... true, the Sierra .45 300 JFP has a slight secant ogive, as opposed to a straight truncated cone. The bullet hard a hard core, which, while I haven't used it, but from which I would not expect expansion in meat at .45 Colt velocities. Sans a widening of the meplat to mimic the punch of a wadcutter, this bullet scores low as .45 projectile I would take into the Big Woods----for deer, bear, elk, or moose. We have some loads & targets in the DB Photo series on .45 cast 335 LFN GC and powder coated 330 SWC PB (NEI 310), both of which I pack without hesitation.

Standard Large Pistol Primers are used with above bullets. As illustrated in the photo series, I prefer to DEEP SEAT, and to crimp on the ogive of the LFN, and crimp the SWC above the front band. Roll crimp for both.
David Bradshaw

So with that being said, if one wanted to use that bullet, as long as decent accuracy, what would be the problem?
I would dare say that many uses cast that won't expand.
Why, just because a bullet is listed as a JSP, does it matter if it doesn't expand, unless one wants expansion ?
As I said before many use cast that won't expand.
If one wants expansion one can get it with the right bullet.
Sierra says on their website the bullet has a hard core.
The core is a 4/6/90 Alloy and Sierra says expansion only on the toughest game at velocities of 1550 FPS.
Again no expansion cast verses no expansion JSP = what's the big deal type thing.
If one wants expansion use the proper bullet if not, and one is not a caster and wants penetration over all else use a Sierra.
At the prices these custom casters charge today the Sierra may be the "berries" to them

[dougader]

I believe the sharper edges, wider meplat of the SWC and WLN, WFN, LFN series of cast bullets cause more damage than the rounded-edge profile of the TC bullet that Sierra offers. I bought some of the Siera bullets when nothing else was available, but have yet use them because I keep loading my preferred WFN and WLN bullets.

If someone wants to use a jacketed bullet, I believe the 300 mag XTP-HP or 300 grain Gold Dot HP would make a better slug for the big game discussed here, even though at 45 Colt 30k-32k psi velocities you'd see little to no expansion.

[nvcaller]

I was asking does anyone have experience with this bullet?
If so what load you might of had the best results ?
I do know this is a hard bullet and I'm shooting this from a large frame Ruger Blackhawk.
I shoot a 315 cast,gas check bullet now at 1300fps.So I bought the seirra bullets for accuracy and velocity comparison, I elk,moose hunt in brown bear or grizzly country every year.So some times ,I use my side arm for big animals or defense if the need arises.
I have shot the xtp but didn't like the accuracy in either of my guns.idk something about honandy bullets and I don't mix. Even in rifles.
I appreciate the discussion on melplate, and truncated design. But any idea of the best powder to use on this bullet I have W296,h110,hs6,bluedot,2400,?

[dougader]

I use 21 to 22 grains 296 with CCI 350 primers. Yes, the Sierra bullets are accurate.

[bradshaw]

If Sierra bullets, or Hornady bullets, are inaccurate, hundreds of silhouetters had better hand in their trophies. As to performance of Hornady bullets afield, handgun & rifle, it has been this shooter's experience that Hornady produces one hell of an honest hunting bullet. Exotic? Perhaps not. Honest? Emphatically.

One last time: a hard-as-nails, narrow-mepat bullet----lead or jacketed----is liable to punch a pencil hole through game ranging in size from deer to bear and moose, without desired incapacitation. Headed away, you may never see the animal again. Headed your way, you may never see anything else.
David Bradshaw

[webber]

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One last time: a hard-as-nails, narrow-mepat bullet----lead or jacketed----is liable to punch a pencil hole through game ranging in size from deer to bear and moose, without desired incapacitation. Headed away, you may never see the animal again. Headed your way, you may never see anything else.
David Bradshaw
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How does one explain the use, by many, that use hard cast bullets? Are all their results failures?
Many use bullets that are in the 18 to 22 BHN.
Garrett built a good reputation on using bullets in his factory 44 Mag loads using 25 BHN bullets.
Now Ashley Emerson is now carrying on the Garrett ammo tradition with the same bullets.
Now in 45 Colt ammo too.
Not saying many don't use softer cast because some do.
Just asking if hard is necessarily a dismal failure.
The meplat,  while not as large as some cast couldn't be actually called narrow .280".
That is as large as most Keith 44 cal.  bullets and that bullet enjoys a good reputation.  Unless everyone that praises the Keith is not reliable.
We have bullets that are "more reliable?" than a Keith that still doesn't negate the fact that the .280" meplat has delivered in the past.

[eskimo36]

My experience with the Keith style bullets is that they cut full diameter holes going in and usually a bit over diameter coming out. I assume enough shoulder is there to precipitate those results.