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Post by bulasteve on Feb 25, 2016 11:48:02 GMT -5
Have a couple hundred 44spec cases in the tumbler now, and a pound of Longshot powder. The 2015 Hodgen Annual Manual does not show the use of Longshot for 44spec at all. Yet use in 44mag,480,45GAP,etc..? A solid reason for that, or they just haven't looked there yet ? Curious.
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 25, 2016 12:06:54 GMT -5
I am not sure about that either. My guess is the lack of popularity has held back development of loads.
I am going to try it in my Specials. Have had excellent results from it in other cartridges.
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Post by Fowler on Feb 25, 2016 17:19:20 GMT -5
Brian Pearce has published a number of 44sp loads for the 44sp in Handloader magazine I believe. I don't have any copies handy or I could quote some loads for you.
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Post by toroflow on Feb 25, 2016 18:33:38 GMT -5
On my powder burn rate chart it lists Longshot at #98, and 2400 at #101, and Blue Dot at #94 (lower #s = faster powder). Were it me, I would use load data for Blue Dot and work up from there. I've used this method to utilize an 8 pound keg of Winchester 473AA shotgun powder from my shotgunning days, for use in .38 Special loads. Good luck.
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Post by paul105 on Feb 25, 2016 19:00:22 GMT -5
Be real careful with Longshot, especially as it relates to it's position on various burn rate charts.
Have a friend who loves to test data. I gave him some Longshot and some 250gr 429421 Keith's.
THE FOLLOWING LOADS ARE FOR INFORMATION ONLY, NOT A RECOMMENDATION
Using standard primers (CCI 300s), and one of Rugers new 5 1/2" .44 Specials. Results were for 15 shots.
8.0 gr avg. 932 fps..ES 75fps
8.5 gr avg. 1,002 fps..ES 61fps
9.0 gr avg. 1,040 fps..ES 29fps
9.5 gr avg. 1,113 fps..ES 32fps
THE ABOVE LOADS ARE FOR INFORMATION ONLY, NOT A RECOMMENDATION
I have not used any of the above in the .44 Special. I have used 9.4gr with a deep seated (1.503" OAL) 240gr Lasercast in .44 MAGNUM CASES which chronoed 1,078 fps from my 4.2" M69
Paul
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Post by nolongcolt on Feb 25, 2016 19:11:16 GMT -5
Looks to be somewhat quicker than its burn rate would indicate, more like Unique velocities.
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Post by paul105 on Feb 25, 2016 19:36:16 GMT -5
IIRC, the above data was based on one of Brian Pearce's articles. I went back thru my stuff and couldn't find it.
Paul
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Post by cherokeetracker on Feb 25, 2016 20:42:54 GMT -5
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Post by paul105 on Feb 25, 2016 20:55:47 GMT -5
I have that article (and it's a very good resource for all .44 special hand loaders), but its not the one I was looking for. I'm pretty sure (memory no longer a long suit) that Brian P. wrote an article when the Ruger .44 specials first came out, but I can't find it in my stuff.
Paul
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 25, 2016 20:58:45 GMT -5
Handloader 236
Handloader 260
Both have Brian Pearce 44 Special articles.
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Post by paul105 on Feb 25, 2016 21:08:32 GMT -5
Memory must be playing tricks on me. Found the email exchange (Nov 2013) with the guy that tested the above longshot data. At that time, I specifically told him I didn't remember seeing any Longshot .44 Special Data.
So it seems the above ref Brian P. Ruger .44 Special article may be a figment of my imagination -- If so, sorry.
Paul
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 25, 2016 21:21:29 GMT -5
Not to hijack a thread, but I use Longshot in my 454 Casulls.
Using the Hodgdons manual data with the Hornady 250 grn XTP bullets. A very mild load that exceeds the 44 Magnum in power (with less pressure and noise), uses less powder than the 357 Magnum and kills critters dead as a cannon.
Sorry, but I find the formula extremely interesting.
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Post by dougader on Feb 25, 2016 23:27:03 GMT -5
I would NOT use Blue Dot data with Longshot. Actual charge weights would be closer to Power Pistol data.
Start low and work up slowly.
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