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Post by 38 WCF on Jan 1, 2016 21:38:25 GMT -5
I will shoot this tomorrow for the first time.  |
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Fowler
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Post by Fowler on Jan 1, 2016 21:42:52 GMT -5
I just picked up 1B in 22-250 that I have yet to shoot but I am a bit anxious to give her a workout. I love No. 1s...
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Post by Encore64 on Jan 1, 2016 21:44:53 GMT -5
I do too and have collected them since 1993. Really like the odd caliber guns.
Bet you have a shooter there. Look forward to a range report.
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Post by 38 WCF on Jan 2, 2016 16:58:20 GMT -5
Okay, here is a range report and there is a problem somewhere. I was just trying to get the scope sighted in and firing over the bed of my truck as a rest. It took several shots to finally get the bullet on paper at a mere 37 yards. Eventually the scope windage knob was turned as far as it would go. As you can see the bullet impact is still about 2-3 inches to the left. I was also moving the impact downward on the three two shot groups and that is why they are strung up and down the target. As the distance increased the bullet impact moved even more to the left. Not sure if I have a rifle problem or a scope problem. The scope is a brand new Leupold FX2 6X42. Anyone have any ideas as what my next move should be? Maybe I will call Leupold and Ruger on Monday and see what they think.  |
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ter548
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Post by ter548 on Jan 2, 2016 21:52:13 GMT -5
Not to sound trivial, but get it on a shooting bench.
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Post by 38 WCF on Jan 3, 2016 16:31:43 GMT -5
I just ordered a set or the Millett windage adjustable rings. I hope to get the windage adjustment I need from them.
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Post by BigBore44 on Jan 3, 2016 18:13:08 GMT -5
I don't want to sound dumb, but it seems like you're moving it Left instead of Right according to how you numbered your hits on the Target...??
Am I missing something here?
Seems you should've been going the opposite direction..?
BigBore44
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Post by 38 WCF on Jan 3, 2016 19:19:10 GMT -5
I don't want to sound dumb, but it seems like you're moving it Left instead of Right according to how you numbered your hits on the Target...?? Am I missing something here? Seems you should've been going the opposite direction..? BigBore44 All three two shot groups are with the scope cranked all the way right. I ran out of adjustment. The farther I moved back the group moved to the left without any adjustment on my part. In other words, as it is I would be hitting 3-4 inches left at 200 yards and I can do nothing about it. I did not properly state the problem I guess. The scope simply ran out of adjustment before the bullet impact reached the center of the green dot. |
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 4, 2016 10:27:35 GMT -5
38wcf.... let us start with a new scope which comes from the factory with crosshairs set at the middle of the UP-and-DOWN adjustment range. You mount the scope, doing everything right. As you shoot from a rest at 25 yards (always begin sight-in at close range), a nice tight group prints 12-inches left of Point of Aim. (1-foot @ 25 yards becomes 4-feet @ 100 yds.)
Chances are the barrel is at an angle to the receiver, with the threads in the receiver or on the barrel OFF-AXIS. When a gunsmith BLUEPRINTS a rifle he tries the threads, among other things.
A scope cranked to the end of its adjustment presents a distorted sight picture, as the erector tube is no longer centered in the scope tube. Light enters the objective lens, makes a dog leg through the erector tube, then rides a bent wave of light to present a distorted picture on the ocular lens.
Burris makes rings with eccentric inserts for rifles with alignment problems. The old Redfield scope base & rings with windage screws on the rear base are intended for adjusting windage misalignment. Leopold and others long ago adopted the Redfield design. With this system, windage is zeroed by moving windage screws on the rear base, with crosshairs dead-center in the scope. Final adjustment is made with the windage turret.
Sadly, misalignment disease afflicts many rifles. On the info you provide it is impossible to say for sure that your No. 1 has a misalignment issue.
David Bradshaw
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Post by 38 WCF on Jan 4, 2016 18:40:12 GMT -5
38wcf.... let us start with a new scope which comes from the factory with crosshairs set at the middle of the UP-and-DOWN adjustment range. You mount the scope, doing everything right. As you shoot from a rest at 25 yards (always begin sight-in at close range), a nice tight group prints 12-inches left of Point of Aim. (1-foot @ 25 yards becomes 4-feet @ 100 yds.) Chances are the barrel is at an angle to the receiver, with the threads in the receiver or on the barrel OFF-AXIS. When a gunsmith BLUEPRINTS a rifle he tries the threads, among other things. A scope cranked to the end of its adjustment presents a distorted sight picture, as the erector tube is no longer centered in the scope tube. Light enters the objective lens, makes a dog leg through the erector tube, then rides a bent wave of light to present a distorted picture on the ocular lens. Burris makes rings with eccentric inserts for rifles with alignment problems. The old Redfield scope base & rings with windage screws on the rear base are intended for adjusting windage misalignment. Leopold and others long ago adopted the Redfield design. With this system, windage is zeroed by moving windage screws on the rear base, with crosshairs dead-center in the scope. Final adjustment is made with the windage turret. Sadly, misalignment disease afflicts many rifles. On the info you provide it is impossible to say for sure that your No. 1 has a misalignment issue. David Bradshaw I have ordered a set of the Millett windage adjustable rings. I hope they will work. I see that Burris also makes a Ruger to Weaver base for the Ruger rifle. That looks like it should work as well. If not I will contact Ruger. Thanks! |
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Post by BigBore44 on Jan 4, 2016 18:44:20 GMT -5
38wcf
Seeing how your getting the new adjustable mounts, I would recommend you re-center your scope adjustments before sighting in your rifle.
You may/probably know that but just figured I'd throw it out there...
Good luck
BigBore44
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Post by 38 WCF on Jan 5, 2016 8:59:51 GMT -5
38wcf Seeing how your getting the new adjustable mounts, I would recommend you re-center your scope adjustments before sighting in your rifle. You may/probably know that but just figured I'd throw it out there... Good luck BigBore44 Yeah, that is just what I was thinking. I will use my scope alignment rods to make sure the rings are in line with each other as well. If my gun shoots to the left ,I am thinking the rear ring should be moved RIGHT and the front ring should be moved LEFT. Sound okay so far? |
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 5, 2016 10:57:37 GMT -5
38wcf Seeing how your getting the new adjustable mounts, I would recommend you re-center your scope adjustments before sighting in your rifle. You may/probably know that but just figured I'd throw it out there... Good luck BigBore44 Yeah, that is just what I was thinking. I will use my scope alignment rods to make sure the rings are in line with each other as well. If my gun shoots to the left ,I am thinking the rear ring should be moved RIGHT and the front ring should be moved LEFT. Sound okay so far? Correct, same as iron sights. Move rear sight or scope ring in the direction you want the shots to go. To adjust Point of Impact via front sight or ring, move it opposite where you want to shift POI. David Bradshaw |
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Post by squawberryman on Jan 5, 2016 13:28:27 GMT -5
A 20 dollar collimator never hurt. I bore sight (true) everything I can but use my collimator for AR's. Get the scope back to zero and follow Mr. Bradshaw's advice.
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Post by 38 WCF on Jan 8, 2016 22:10:30 GMT -5
Update for those who care.
The Millett rings were a bust. The threads stripped out upon installation.
SO, I re installed the Ruger factory rings with the idea I would try to bore sight the rifle the old fashioned way by peering thru the bore and aiming the bore at a black dot on the wall etc etc. In that process I happened to look down the length of the barrel from the bore end and I can clearly see that the scope is WAY out of line with the bore line of the barrel. I am talking at least a quarter of an inch if not more. Even my wife who didn't even know what she was looking at said she could plainly see that the scope was "crooked". It appears to me that the rear base has been installed out of line with the bore.
I will be calling Ruger on Monday and I hope they will allow me to send the rifle back for a fix. Not sure what the fix would be other than replacing the barrel?
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