tgc
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Post by tgc on May 2, 2015 10:44:37 GMT -5
I've never seen a post about this anywhere. I'd be intrested to know if anyone knows how they make ricochets in westerns (or any movie) work? They look awful real to me. Knocking chunks of wood out and everything. If they are placed by hand, and I assume they are, bet that takes a lot of time.
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Post by dmize on May 2, 2015 22:08:42 GMT -5
I remember seeing something that a long time ago i.e. James Cagney movies that veteran machine gunners were hired to do the shooting but later it was done by hand placed explosive charges.
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May 2, 2015 22:53:35 GMT -5
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Post by Wasp on May 2, 2015 22:53:35 GMT -5
I saw that same special, he said they use real bullets but after shooting the scene with what I think I remember being a Tommy gun or something, and a comment about "thin walls" and "danger" they decided to use other methods.
These days there are squibs and CG. All I know is, real ricochets in real life can be scary. Ask me how I know!
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Post by bulasteve on May 3, 2015 7:33:15 GMT -5
Ok, how do you know ? Ya can't tease us like that ! Only have one eye now ? Can't have children ? What ! LOL.
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May 3, 2015 15:47:13 GMT -5
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Post by seancass on May 3, 2015 15:47:13 GMT -5
Some movie, possibly tombstone or newer 310 to Yuma, showed some behind the scenes. They were using what amounted to a paintball gun shooting balls of chalk or sparkers. The special effects guy points out that lead bullets would never spark, but it's Hollywood and they do what they're told!
Exploding wood? I dunno, explosives i guess!?
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Post by COR on May 3, 2015 16:06:27 GMT -5
Go to a fake cowboy match, you'll get your fill there!
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Post by hoover on May 3, 2015 16:14:17 GMT -5
COR, were you there when Doc's son, Ethan got shot by the said "cowboy" shooter, shooting low velocity lead projectiles at a peppered, very dimpled piece of steel? The shooter was at the next range over, shot, ricochet, right onto Ethan's neck. If you're gonna shoot steel, make sure it isn't dimpled. Funny, or should I say not so funny things can happen.
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COR
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May 3, 2015 18:05:11 GMT -5
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Post by COR on May 3, 2015 18:05:11 GMT -5
That was my exact reference point...he was fine that day but I remember the guy saying that and me thinking he should load some actual powder into that smoke wagon if he really wanted to be a cowboy...but I have already digressed a little, I knew you'd catch it.
Not to mention the 10yd shooting...
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May 4, 2015 7:11:53 GMT -5
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Post by zeus on May 4, 2015 7:11:53 GMT -5
COR, were you there when Doc's son, Ethan got shot by the said "cowboy" shooter, shooting low velocity lead projectiles at a peppered, very dimpled piece of steel? The shooter was at the next range over, shot, ricochet, right onto Ethan's neck. If you're gonna shoot steel, make sure it isn't dimpled. Funny, or should I say not so funny things can happen. Yep, I had a "conversation" with a fellow once in MS that was practicing for his fast shooting don't hit much match with a auto of some sort. Can't remember but he rained lead down on our bench and I was not to have anymore. He promptly left after our introduction. My wife was there for one of the first times and it made her not want to go back because of one moron.
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Post by whitworth on May 4, 2015 7:59:38 GMT -5
My wife was there for one of the first times and it made her not want to go back because of one moron. And unfortunately that is all it usually takes.......
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Post by bradshaw on May 4, 2015 12:10:21 GMT -5
Seem we have two subjects, special effects and ricochet.
Special effects As seancass notes, special effects bullet impacts are often done with paintball guns shooting special capsules to mimic phosphorous spatter, blood, etc. The flying paint balls do not show up on most film. Bullet impacts in dirt, concrete, etc., are done with implanted pyrotechnics, set off electrically. Want to set off a string of machine gun impacts? Wire pyrotechnics to a finger harp or xylophone and drag the ground wire across the keys. Probably works as well as a computer board.
Computer animation probably will take the place of pyrotechnics, just as propane igniters have replaced blank firing firearms in corny gunplay. Exaggerated white muzzle flash indicates propane. A low budget film that can't afford computer animation may be the last holdout for pyrotechnics.
dmize and wasp note past use of live ammo by Hollywood. A surprise, if true. I thought live ammo was VERBOTEN in Hollywood. Too bad, as live ammo in first movies would eliminate greed-driven sequels.
Ricochet As Hoover warns, one should not fire at pock-marked or----especially----cratered steel, or at channel iron with the channel facing the shooter. Distance is safety. High power rifles are real crater makers. A crater funnels bullet material back towards the firing line. A bullet striking flatr steel squarely usually spatters in a fan along the flat steel.
A bullet fired at a low angle to a hard surface tends to ricochet at a low angle, sometimes nearly parallel to the surface. Bullets from the .50 Browning can ricochet viciously a quarter or half mile, or more. The French made a 12 gauge slug, using a steel ball bearing. Mean penetration, with severe ricochet potential. David Bradshaw
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Post by sixshot on May 4, 2015 13:46:57 GMT -5
Those that shot handgun silhouette in the early days probably remember using sections of railroad track to set the steel on, problem was it was a perfect ricochet if you shot low & of course many people did shoot low, especially some of the Utah guys! Seen more than one guy shooting the chickens that got nailed by a return package!
Dick
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May 4, 2015 17:42:09 GMT -5
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Post by dougader on May 4, 2015 17:42:09 GMT -5
People throw out old tires, too, and some end up at the range. My gf at the time was shooting 38 special hbwc's at a paper target and the hbwc cut a nice hole in the target, flew 20 or so yards downrange, hit the old tire and bounced right back at her, giving her a fat lip.
Real glad it wasn't worse. I removed that tire immediately. We didn't even notice the tire beforehand. It pays to follow the rule, know your target and what's behind it.
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