Joe S.
.401 Bobcat
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Post by Joe S. on Sept 16, 2015 18:48:08 GMT -5
Lee
Is that a four shot?
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Post by Lee Martin on Sept 16, 2015 20:16:58 GMT -5
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Post by seancass on Sept 16, 2015 20:21:58 GMT -5
I thought it was a funny question, but the photo angle makes the bolt notches look few and far between!
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Post by bisleyfan41 on Sept 16, 2015 21:40:35 GMT -5
Dave The pic of my gun is on page 6 of this thread, I looked up the serial number on the Ruger site and 1982 was the ship year. Mike Your gun is the KS410N. Relatively few of these were built (~1000) and came prior to the KS411N, I believe. There are a few folks on the Ruger Forum with them and they like them. I hope to own one someday; came close in a few auctions. I prefer this tapered barrel and shorter ejector rod model to the KS411N. My main focus is hunting and prefer it's longer barrel, the extra weight of the KS411N not so much. Weird, I know. |
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Post by nockhunter on Sept 17, 2015 21:24:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Bisleyfan
A guy on the Ruger forum told me somewhere around 2000 were built. I feel pretty lucky since I picked it up at a gun show in the early 90's. 1000-2000 still makes them pretty rare, to think I was going to shorten it a few years back. Glad I didn't. I've seen a few heavy barrel versions shortened to 4-5" and felt really good in the hand. I just never got around to it. I picked up a 4" M29 not too much later, nice belt gun. Procrastination pays off!
I have one of the clamp on scope bases for it but I don't care the that system of mounting, I've killed a couple deer with the setup, but I think I would like to try a dot system like the Freedom arms guns have. I just need to find a similar setup for the SBH.
Mike
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Post by 2 Dogs on Sept 18, 2015 16:32:03 GMT -5
Got myself a new script for my lame peepers. Be back on this thread soon as I can get my lenses ground! Maybe I can see what I'm doin!! It's HELL gettin old.
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Joe S.
.401 Bobcat
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Post by Joe S. on Sept 19, 2015 22:41:06 GMT -5
Beats the alternative i hear...
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Post by lscg on Sept 24, 2015 22:39:01 GMT -5
I shot two groups yesterday at 100 yards with my new 5 shot super Blackhawk . the first group circled in red measured 4 3/4" but only 3 out of 5 shots hit paper. an adjustment was made to the rear sight and the second group circled in orange was fired. this group measured 7 7/8" with only 4 out of 5 shots hitting paper. the ammo was some unknown Remington and PMC rounds my dad had for his Winchester 94 and a pistol rest was used. I believe I did better this time than I did last time but I still have a ways to go. just wasn't able to get any trigger time this summer. with more practice this fall and some good loads for it I believe i can shrink these groups down.  |
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Joe S.
.401 Bobcat
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Post by Joe S. on Sept 25, 2015 7:03:15 GMT -5
Keep at it! Trigger time is the key!
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Post by cherokeetracker on Sept 25, 2015 7:09:15 GMT -5
Practice does not make perfect ! But, Perfect practice makes perfect. Keep it up Zane.
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Post by Cholla on Sept 26, 2015 1:33:16 GMT -5
Something like this, dude you need to get thicker skin, I wasn't targeting you personally, and I'm not trying to start anything. I just think shooting at a big backstop and the quoting a group size, is not the same as shooting at a specific target and hitting it multiple times. Kinda like shooting at a deer at 100y and hitting him in the hams just to say "but look a 3" group" when aiming for the boiler room. Mike Your point is taken, and shooting a small group somewhere on the backstop is certainly not the same as shooting a small group where one is aiming. However, shooting a small group, from a bench, exactly where you're aiming is likewise not the same as shooting a small group in the field unless you happen to lug a shooting bench and sandbags around the woods when you're deer hunting. |
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Paden
.375 Atomic
Lower Goldstream Creek
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Post by Paden on Sept 26, 2015 14:33:59 GMT -5
I just think shooting at a big backstop and the quoting a group size, is not the same as shooting at a specific target and hitting it multiple times. Kinda like shooting at a deer at 100y and hitting him in the hams just to say "but look a 3" group" when aiming for the boiler room. Mike Your point is taken, and shooting a small group somewhere on the backstop is certainly not the same as shooting a small group where one is aiming. However, shooting a small group, from a bench, exactly where you're aiming is likewise not the same as shooting a small group in the field unless you happen to lug a shooting bench and sandbags around the woods when you're deer hunting. I would add that shooting a small group anywhere on the backstop at 100 yards with open sights is indicative of very impressive ability to hold a very consistent POA, and that's 99.5% of the battle. Thereafter, it only remains to adjust POA to achieve desired POI. This thread poses an attractive challenge. Will report back if ever able to put 6 on a paper plate. To date, best I can muster with 45 Blackhawk is about 20 inch groups with an improvised rest (usually leaning against my truck somehow). The place I shoot paper doesn't have a bench. Wish I could shoot same gun from a Ransom Rest to determine gun's potential vs. my inputs... Unable to post photos to this site, so this will likely be the extent of my contribution to this thread. |
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Post by lscg on Sept 26, 2015 16:23:07 GMT -5
Keep at it! Trigger time is the key!
thanks Y'all! I will.
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Post by lscg on Sept 26, 2015 16:24:04 GMT -5
Your point is taken, and shooting a small group somewhere on the backstop is certainly not the same as shooting a small group where one is aiming. However, shooting a small group, from a bench, exactly where you're aiming is likewise not the same as shooting a small group in the field unless you happen to lug a shooting bench and sandbags around the woods when you're deer hunting. I would add that shooting a small group anywhere on the backstop at 100 yards with open sights is indicative of very impressive ability to hold a very consistent POA, and that's 99.5% of the battle. Thereafter, it only remains to adjust POA to achieve desired POI. This thread poses an attractive challenge. Will report back if ever able to put 6 on a paper plate. To date, best I can muster with 45 Blackhawk is about 20 inch groups with an improvised rest (usually leaning against my truck somehow). The place I shoot paper doesn't have a bench. Wish I could shoot same gun from a Ransom Rest to determine gun's potential vs. my inputs... Unable to post photos to this site, so this will likely be the extent of my contribution to this thread.
Paden,
if you'd want to email me any group/gun pictures i'll post them to the site for you.
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Post by Lee Martin on Sept 28, 2015 19:26:23 GMT -5
5-shots, 100 yards bench rested Herters .401 Powermag. According to the export stamp it was shipped in 1965 Bullet – 230 grain Keith sized 0.403” Powder – 18.0 of 2400 Brass – formed from .41 Magnum Primer - CCI 350 Velocity - 1,313 fps. Average of five shots. Not all revolvers are up for the 100 yard challenge. Such is the case with this Herters .401 Powermag. I own four of these, mostly because I couldn’t pass up the price. In the late 90’s and early 2000’s you could buy them for $200. Brass was near obsolete and the dies were special order. If you combine scarce components and that SA profile, demand plummets. My first two 401’s are in excellent condition while the third is unfired. That leaves this holster worn gem I acquired for $185. It’s all there mechanically. Cylinder lockup is tight and the bore is shiny. She’s also well timed and at some point got a trigger job.  Last Saturday I planned to shoot benchrest but was pinched for time. With no chance to reload I went to the shelf and uncovered 200 Powermags. That $185 piece had done well on steel chickens at 33 yards and a 10-inch rock at 50. It’s pretty respectable on paper too at those distances. Now how would it fare at 100? Besides, this moves my contribution from customs or quasi-customs to budget stock. The bullet is a 230 grain 41 Keith I originally swaged 0.401”. They’ve printed tight in my .401 Bobcat using multiple powders and speeds. All the same they’re dimensionally a bad fit here. Herters throats mic 0.405” and the grooves measure 0.403”. Using another sizer I’ve been swaging 0.403” specifically for this gun. Indeed small on the exits but better matched to the barrel. Left to right - .41 caliber 230 gr Keith, sized 0.403”, loaded .401 Powermag  It took 10 shots to get on at 100 yards. That left 190 and a stack of plates. Below is the best I could muster from a bench-rested tripod. Four shots out of five landed with one almost off the edge. My average was 2 holes in the white with an occasional three. Simply put the gun sprays lead. Enough in fact that this target was probably dumb luck.  Two things I should callout. First, I felt on last Saturday. I’m honest with myself and will admit when poor groups are my doing. But I won’t take the blame for this lowly performance. Trigger pulls were consistent and you can’t discount the outing across 38 targets. Second, the gun may benefit from softer lead running 0.404 – 0.405”. Yet that’ll require another sizer which I don’t have. Dad and I can make them and perhaps in time we'll do so. Until then this old Powermag sees rocks and steel. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Chasing perfection five shots at a time" |
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