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Post by bigmuddy on Feb 8, 2015 20:53:24 GMT -5
I had the same issue with my 5.5" 44 M97. Groups were all over and I knew it was the shooter not the gun, which added to the frustration. Then due to an injury to my weak side shoulder, I was limited to one handed shooting for a while. I found I was hitting much better with the 97 one handed than I ever had with two. When I healed up I was determined to figure this thing out. I found that when I shot one handed I was gripping the gun much lower. So... I took my one handed grip and just added my week support hand and now the gun was shooting like I thought it should. I have to grip the 97 lower than I normally would and it took some getting used to but now I trust it to hit where it looks.
Dan
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Feb 9, 2015 7:01:21 GMT -5
As stated in an earlier post, I am awaiting a FA-97 in 327 Federal / 32-20 WCF. I think adding a scope will make this a first class smaller game revolver. As soon as this project is complete, I will be looking to add a second FA-97 is a big bore caliber. Either a 41 Mag, 44 Special or 45 Colt. Experience and suggestions appreciated... I recommend a .45 convertible. Mine is a 5 1/2" version. |
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Post by diddle on Feb 9, 2015 7:42:50 GMT -5
2 Dogs, I feel for you. My problem is the opposite. The FA97 just seems to work for me -- like magic. The Bisley, not so much -- flat top or full size doesn't seem to matter. I like the feel of the Bisley's (and the look) but they just don't want to cooperate at the target. I can make 'em work but it doesn't feel natural like the 97. I have another 97 and an 83 on order. I'm hoping the 83 works as well as the 97's. BTW, I wear an XL cadet golf glove -- fat palm, short digits. Diddle We may end up having to have us a chat.... I would welcome that … |
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Post by bradshaw on Feb 9, 2015 9:56:49 GMT -5
One of next two photo series will show a hold I call the heel index, which I use on many single actions to protect middle finger from trigger guard. Dan, aka bigmuddy, advocates his version of such a hold, which indexes the heel of the palm and the butt. Practice inculcates this hold as second nature. Contrary to the mitts of Ken O'Neill, the middle digit of my trigger finger emphatically bears against the trigger guard. Last digit pivots against trigger. Ken describes his fingers as short and stubby, which may facilitate finger pad contact without a) strain, and b) without contacting trigger guard.
To float the pad of my index finger on the trigger, I'd first have to loop my finger away from my hand. Strain is a no-no in establishing one's grip.
The M97 performs in hands that like it. Mine is not one. To take advantage of the machine, I'd have to get a handle on it.
David Bradshaw
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Post by bigmuddy on Feb 9, 2015 10:36:03 GMT -5
David hit on the key, at least for me anyway and that is being able to float the trigger finger. He calls it a heel index which is a good way to put it. I dubbed my grip the "clam shell" as for me the heel of each palm makes light contact under the grip. That is my index and is how I started gripping the Colt SAA many years ago. Feels more natural with small gripped Colt as the 97 grip is quite a bit longer. Again while feeling a bit awkward at first it got my trigger finger away from making frame contact and accuracy improved.
Dan
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Post by Markbo on Feb 9, 2015 15:09:10 GMT -5
....One of next two photo series will show a hold I call the heel index, which I use on many single actions to protect middle finger from trigger guard. .... Are they up yet? I sure can't find any pics like that in the ones that I see in Gallery: Vol LI and LII |
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Post by bradshaw on Feb 9, 2015 20:33:10 GMT -5
Markobo.... Vol. LV has photos of heel index grip on Bisley. Expect lee will get these up when he gets the time. Actually, photos of various holds used by members of the forum would make for a good post. Hell, hang 'em on Vol. LV when Lee posts it. Personal anatomy is part of technique.
David Bradshaw
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Post by jdoc on Feb 9, 2015 21:51:04 GMT -5
Two Dogs
I would try modifying the factory grips first. I think a major part of the problem is in the extreme taper of the grips starting at the grip screw extending to the butt. I would remove material from the lower section so the taper would remain constant from the top of the grips to the butt. Since the material will be removed from the lower sections. This will result in a more oval cross section than a round cross section. This in turn will help keep the 97 or 83 from squirming windage wise. I found this to be so for me when I purchased a Model 83 with Persinger micarta grips on a 500 Wyoming Express. Paul's grips are only slightly thicker at the base as compared to the top with reduced radii sides.
When shooting the large caliber 83s with factory stocks I do two things. I use a tight fitting leather shooting glove with no padding. I also move my grip down so the little finger curves around the very end of the grips. This works for me. I wear a large size leather shooting glove that is skin tight especially during cold weather or heavy recoiling calibers. I have also found the undesirable traits disappear when using FA round butt stocks for the 97.
I have spoke with at length with Jack Huntington about the adverse effects of the factory FA grips. I would suggest you give him a call.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 10, 2015 9:17:35 GMT -5
I thought about making stocks, putting all the other guns away and focusing on these, and even changing my grip. But in the end, I have decided to send these down the road....
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Post by sheriff on Feb 10, 2015 10:21:04 GMT -5
I thought about making stocks, putting all the other guns away and focusing on these, and even changing my grip. But in the end, I have decided to send these down the road.... You wanted a new one anyway, didn't you.......  |
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Post by AxeHandle on Feb 10, 2015 10:28:10 GMT -5
Dirty Harry put it well with his, "A man has got to know his limitations."  No fair whining  about all the deals you passed up because you had those fancy FAs. |
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Post by whitworth on Feb 10, 2015 10:30:11 GMT -5
Dirty Harry put it well with his, "A man has got to know his limitations." No fair whining about all the deals you passed up because you had those fancy FAs. Dang! Tough love!  |
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Post by rawly on Feb 10, 2015 11:27:02 GMT -5
I really like the idea of removing the taper or flare from the bottom half of the factory grip. This seems to be an issue for me too. I would think a slimmer gunfighter grip would be perfect for many hands. Anybody done this to their 97?
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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 10, 2015 11:31:17 GMT -5
Dirty Harry put it well with his, "A man has got to know his limitations." No fair whining about all the deals you passed up because you had those fancy FAs. Dang! Tough love! Stan has me by the SHORTS!!!!!  |
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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 10, 2015 11:32:08 GMT -5
I thought about making stocks, putting all the other guns away and focusing on these, and even changing my grip. But in the end, I have decided to send these down the road.... You wanted a new one anyway, didn't you....... Never been one to be afraid to move on! |
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about all the deals you passed up because you had those fancy FAs. 
