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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 8, 2015 11:48:58 GMT -5
I don't shoot my 97s very well. Certainly not as well as they can be shot. I know it. I see it. My hunting partner and close friend and brother Mark Hargrove pretty much took me and a whole slew of really stout sixgunners to school with my FA97 327 one day. This because he had an injury to his main shooting wing. He made long range hits look comically easy. He casually walked off saying he needed a sixgun like that one.
These same targets, steel silhouettes, are really no problem with my other sixguns. As long as they have a Bisley grip frame that is. This is really frustrating. I am down to wondering if the extra ugly Pachmayer stocks are available for the FA97....?
It is doubly frustrating because my particular FA97s are all 2 cylinder guns with factory action jobs. Further, my good friend and mentor Bob Baker has "relieved" the sharp edge from the chamber to cylinder throat junction to ease bullet transition and thus totally eliminated any leading issues. I have spent a lot of time trying to master the 97 and I just don't see it happening. Any thoughts?
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 8, 2015 11:57:57 GMT -5
I had the exact problems with the Ruger plowhandles. Finally came by a set of Badger target grips. Found I could hold the revolver more stable than any handgun I had ever shot.
They aren't as attractive as some sleek grips, but bought them for every Ruger plowhandled gun I own. Single Sixes & Sevens include.
Grips do make a difference.
My FA-97 is to be finished in March according to Freedom Arms. It too is a dual cylindered gun in 327 Federal / 32-20. Please share anything you learn.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 8, 2015 12:06:43 GMT -5
If I could find some suitable replacement stocks, heaven forbid, even Pachmayers, I would buy em' and try em'!
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 8, 2015 12:19:51 GMT -5
It's funny to the extreme how human we are. Every BFR thead ever says send them to Jack Huntington for a grip conversion so they will be similar to the Freedom Arms or Bisley.
Guys with Freedom Arms looking for Pachmayrs so theirs will be like the BFRs.
I personally have been so blessed by God in my life that sometimes I just want to want.
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Post by bradshaw on Feb 8, 2015 12:29:20 GMT -5
Mr. Garza.... strange you should ask. You experience mirrors mine. Recoil effect of the Model 97 seems to start while the bullet is still fixing out where to go. Were I forced to live with one of these pistols, the grip would have to be reborn. Don't have a 97, so cannot say exactly what. I would begin with the gun in my hand. From there: drawings of various grips superimposed over the lines of the 97. Max Prasac has an excellent comparison graphic of various Ruger grip frames in his book on Ruger revolvers.
The object is to retard initial rollback, so the hump needs a good look. I'd wrap the grip frame in cellophane and glob on Bondo or modeling clay, then trace silhouette and measure width. The Pachmayr rubber for the Freedom Arms Casull Model 1983 came about after introducing Wayne Baker to Pachmayr owner Bruce Baker (no relation) and Pachmayr mechanic Carl Cupp. Many steel shooters would not maintain consistent purchase of the M83 throughout the 40 or 80 round course of fire. The FA M83 would not have achieved its stunning and widespread success in silhouette without the Pachmayr grip.
After molding the M97 to your hand, have a beaver chew the contour in your favorite wood. David Bradshaw
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Feb 8, 2015 12:31:52 GMT -5
Femin, the Pachmayr grip was made for the 83, but not for the smaller 97. I can't really advise you, because the 97 grip frame fits me "perfectly", better than any other revolver, single or double action. I presume the difference is one of hand size and finger length, thus affecting trigger reach. My fingers are short.
Neither he nor you will want to hear it, but perhaps Henry can work with you to craft a larger set of unfinished grips that can be further refined through shooting and sanding, then finished when you are satisfied with the accuracy you achieve They don't appeal to me personally, but I note that Tedd Adamovich has made larger grips for the 83 that fill,in behind the trigger guard. Perhaps he has done or can do the same for the 97, if that idea appeals to you. To my knowledge, no commercial maker has offered aftermarket grips for these FAs, although Eagle has done some custom fitted Sambar stag ones.
I assume you're already bending your trigger finger in such a way as to keep it from rubbing the side of the frame and grip frame, thus pulling the shot off.
Alternatively, if you talk nice to him, perhaps Callshot will give you some shooting lessons this summer. :-)
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Post by Markbo on Feb 8, 2015 12:36:34 GMT -5
What I find funny is how such an accomplished pistolero has such extreme issues with ONE model of sixgun. Not one gun but an entire model. After all its not like you are talk revolver vs pistol or trying to shoot itty bitty groups with a derringer. They are just not THAT different.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 8, 2015 12:43:04 GMT -5
Ken, you are just one of the treasures of the Single Action Dot Com website. I am going to e mail Tedd and ask.
No, I am not rubbing my trigger finger on the side of the sixgun.
I'm pretty sure Dick wouldn't let me "borrow" Callshot. I'd probably ruin him.....
My fingers are short. Thick too. Can't figure that out either....
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Post by bigbores on Feb 8, 2015 12:44:12 GMT -5
After molding the M97 to your hand, have a beaver chew the contour in your favorite wood. David Bradshaw David you truly have a gift with the written word. I only have one model 97, a 45colt with the shortest barrel they make, Ive never tried to make mine a target gun, more of an "o crap" gun for me, guess I need to try shooting it slowly and see how it shoots.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 8, 2015 12:45:20 GMT -5
It's funny to the extreme how human we are. Every BFR thead ever says send them to Jack Huntington for a grip conversion so they will be similar to the Freedom Arms or Bisley. Guys with Freedom Arms looking for Pachmayrs so theirs will be like the BFRs. I personally have been so blessed by God in my life that sometimes I just want to want. I shoot the BFR best with Pachmayers. The FA83 with Pachs does well for me too.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 8, 2015 12:47:03 GMT -5
What I find funny is how such an accomplished pistolero has such extreme issues with ONE model of sixgun. Not one gun but an entire model. After all its not like you are talk revolver vs pistol or trying to shoot itty bitty groups with a derringer. They are just not THAT different. Neither are punters or field goal kickers. Both are good at what they do, but they are not the same even though they are not that different.
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Post by Markbo on Feb 8, 2015 12:52:02 GMT -5
But that is.comparing two shooters....they are both kicking tje same ball.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 8, 2015 12:54:40 GMT -5
Mr. Garza.... strange you should ask. You experience mirrors mine. Recoil effect of the Model 97 seems to start while the bullet is still fixing out where to go. Were I forced to live with one of these pistols, the grip would have to be reborn. Don't have a 97, so cannot say exactly what. I would begin with the gun in my hand. From there: drawings of various grips superimposed over the lines of the 97. Max Prasac has an excellent comparison graphic of various Ruger grip frames in his book on Ruger revolvers. The object is to retard initial rollback, so the hump needs a good look. I'd wrap the grip frame in cellophane and glob on Bondo or modeling clay, then trace silhouette and measure width. The Pachmayr rubber for the Freedom Arms Casull Model 1983 came about after introducing Wayne Baker to Pachmayr owner Bruce Baker (no relation) and Pachmayr mechanic Carl Cupp. Many steel shooters would not maintain consistent purchase of the M83 throughout the 40 or 80 round course of fire. The FA M83 would not have achieved its stunning and widespread success in silhouette without the Pachmayr grip. After molding the M97 to your hand, have a beaver chew the contour in your favorite wood. David Bradshaw Yes. Consistent purchase. That is KEY. Think about it guys. Ping pong ball, golf ball, tennis ball, base ball, soft ball, etc. We all grip them all differently. Each in our own way. We all grip one or the other "better". At some point, the ball in question (Think BB or Globe) gets too big or too small or too something for us to grip with "Consistent Purchase". Consistent purchase starts that music, or better, plays that "sweet" note, that gets the bullet to the target.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 8, 2015 12:56:50 GMT -5
But that is.comparing two shooters....they are both kicking tje same ball. Evidently mine has been deflated..... Besides being mystified at the problem at hand, you ain't helping.
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Post by AxeHandle on Feb 8, 2015 14:12:24 GMT -5
Boxers and briefs... Your fix has already been written. Get Henry to make you some grips that fit the 97 AND your hand.
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