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Post by ranch23 on Sept 27, 2014 23:26:25 GMT -5
Read "policemisconduct.com" for a few weeks. You'll never look at them the same again.
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Post by schmidty on Sept 28, 2014 7:49:08 GMT -5
I agree with maxcactus. Yes, there is "militarization" in the form of surplus gear and police attire, but what is more concerning to me is the change in the attitude of the police. I'm fortysomething and I can remember the old school cops of the 70's and 80's. Something's changed in that you cannot discuss/argue/reason with them - at all. Zero tolerance for anything other than total compliance - and it doesn't matter if you are a suspect or complainant - give em' any lip and your going down on the concrete and then downtown. They seem to have really short fuses these days, and a bullying attitude right from the get go. Yeah, the Youtube videos are a great place to see all of this.
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Post by cddogfan1 on Oct 1, 2014 18:41:05 GMT -5
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Post by seancass on Oct 1, 2014 19:22:49 GMT -5
Seems like this story gets more disgusting every day. Hoping the facts come to light and justice is duly served.
And prayers for the families of all involved.
Some departments are requiring officers to wear cameras while on duty. This should be required everywhere. I bet actions would change.
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Post by squawberryman on Oct 1, 2014 19:28:34 GMT -5
I have no experience with law enforcement and only respect, but it seems to me that a no knock warrant is an order to kill. If they come in and he has a gun, someone is getting shot at. It seems to be an overreach to me. Again, I have no experience.
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Post by erich on Oct 12, 2014 22:17:31 GMT -5
So sorry for your loss. Sent from my VS980 4G using proboards
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Post by dan on Oct 13, 2014 11:08:04 GMT -5
Why not serve the warrant during the day when he's on his way to work. Pull him over then go search the house but that would require a little police work.
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Post by usajon on Oct 13, 2014 13:53:22 GMT -5
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Post by joej on Oct 13, 2014 13:53:30 GMT -5
From that article - I don't think it was meant necessarily as a no-knock warrant, as they allegedly knocked and announced. It might be classified as a no knock, as "regular" search warrants in most States can only be served between 6AM and 10PM. Very unfortunate that his wife assumed the officers were burglars and the home-owner, IMO, acted correctly in securing a firearm to protect his family.
When an officer sees a firearm in a suspected criminal's hand - well, if a shot is fired from anyone, all hell usually breaks loose for a couple seconds. This is very tragic anyway you want to look at it. If the "informant" lied he should be charged with manslaughter and if the deputies didn't corroborate the informant's information in a credible manner - well, their butts will be hanging out and the county will have to pony up a hefty sum, which still makes it a great tragedy for all involved.
What makes this event somewhat believable is his home was burglarized and he would know what was taken. If it was common knowledge the thief was caught then he would have cleaned his residency/property of any incriminating evidence, IF, he was in fact distributing meth. The State investigation should clear this case up somewhat, as how the SO deputies corroborated the informants information will be the key as to any future charges or lawsuits.
We'll just have to see what the State report says and I doubt they would cover anything up relative to corroborating the informant.
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Post by flyfisher66048 on Oct 18, 2014 21:45:43 GMT -5
I know that officers have been shot during no-knock raids and the homeowner cleared at trial. I'd grab the rifle, too, but I would wait behind cover and let whoever come to me. I don't want to shoot anyone, but if the door is kicked in I'm shooting anyone who comes in. There's no reason for anyone to kick in my door. You want something from me, give me a call, don't come like a thief or murderer in the middle of the night. +1. I don't go to stupid places, I don't hand around with stupid people. I don't do stupid things. I am a good person. There is no reason for the police to come through my door in the middle of the night. I will assume anyone busting through my door is a home invader, and I will shoot them to best of my ability.
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Post by aciera on Oct 19, 2014 18:15:40 GMT -5
A lot like safety. You can't rely on the equipment. It's the guy using it. What is the longest swat shot so far? Last I knew it was less than 100 yards. And look what they shoot. Or can't shoot as the case may be.
Hi cap guns. When they first started the police force that reloaded the least was NYC. And they still had 38 revolvers.
Heck. A lot of forces have gone from revolver to auto to hi cap auto and never had to use them.
I'm NOT anti cop. Great friends and family. But who is running the game? People with little real time on the street.
Special Ops do simple things VERY well.
Too many stories like this. Not enough left in jail problems.
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Post by CraigC on Nov 2, 2014 11:07:40 GMT -5
No free society should tolerate them.....ever.
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Post by bagdadjoe on Nov 21, 2014 11:01:14 GMT -5
No free society should tolerate them.....ever. Amen. Brute force is not required for everything. Too many instances of cops going to the wrong address and breaking down doors, flinging flashbangs and putting innocent people in mortal danger. Was just in the news about some cops at a wrong house that threw a flashbang into a childs crib, severely burning him.
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Post by 5shot on Nov 22, 2014 15:42:45 GMT -5
I would have done the same thing he did. I think no-knocks are ridiculous for all the reasons already mentioned. MANY of my customers are law enforcement, but I can't behind these.
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Post by pistolman on Nov 26, 2014 20:54:25 GMT -5
A dangerous violation of the Constitution.
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