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Post by Seasons44 on Jul 10, 2014 10:07:24 GMT -5
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Post by schmidty on Jul 10, 2014 13:12:39 GMT -5
Ugghh  . Don't get me started on the absurdity of restricting suppressors...the NFA is going on 80 years old now, and no one has ever challenged, or at least successfully challenged it. Might as well take short barreled firearms off of the restricted list too....they are no more dangerous than a longer barrreled version. In other countries, suppressors are over-the-counter items which are encouraged by the authorities as reducing noise pollution. Here in the good old USA, the politicians only knowledge of suppressors is from watching assassins in James Bond films. |
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Post by mnimrod45 on Jul 10, 2014 13:52:25 GMT -5
Yes it is a crock. The only reason they keep them on the list is a money making scam to get the $200 out of people and to make you sign your life away. They recently made it legal to shoot with suppressors in my state, WA, and before you could own them you just couldn't put them on the gun or shoot them, how stupid is that. The ATF allowed it last year as well as short barreled rifles, with a tax stamp of course. From the ATF guys I know, short barreled shotguns will be allowed next here, again with a stamp of course. It should be de-regulated period. I am law enforcement and myself and almost everyone I work with agree, it is stupid and will make absolutely no difference in crime, besides, we all want them too.... A bunch of guys I work with ran out and bough cans as soon as they were legal. the tax stamp is a scam.
Rant over,
Mark
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Post by schmidty on Jul 10, 2014 17:08:40 GMT -5
Heehee I think many people would opt out from the expense and hassle of getting a suppressor...if they could see one perform in person. They aren't all that quiet like in the movies...well, maybe the little .22's are quiet when suppressed, but the bigger rounds are still loud IMHO. I wouldn't want one even if you guys paid all the expenses for me.  |
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Post by arokcrwlr on Jul 10, 2014 21:36:19 GMT -5
Try a .45 ACP with a can and I think you'll change your mind - so quiet.
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Post by CraigC on Jul 10, 2014 22:50:15 GMT -5
We have to remember the original purpose of the $200 tax stamp. Back then, it was a hell of a lot of money and the $200 was designed to tax these things out of existence without being too obvious. I doubt it will ever happen but common sense says we really need to repeal the NFA.
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Post by schmidty on Jul 11, 2014 7:26:53 GMT -5
I doubt it will ever happen but common sense says we really need to repeal the NFA. IMHO the NFA was/is one of the single worst infringements of the 2nd Amendment...ever. Because it has been in effect so long, people have become desensitized...and no one ever thinks about legally challenging it. I mean, imagine the outcry we would have if the present administration made it law that citizens had to go the tax stamp and paperwork route for any and all future firearms purchases. Think it can't happen? We may see the day. Such regulation and expense is par for the course in Europe and other countries which still allow private firearms ownership. |
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Post by ms44special on Jul 11, 2014 14:20:10 GMT -5
The gov will never repeal it. It will be up to us to actually excersise our rights as free people. Kinda like concealed carry "rights". It's a right but you have to ask permission from gov and pay a fee??? The only way they manage this is cause we all say "yes master". Fear of consequences from disobeying is how they rule. That's not a free society, in fact the definition of tyranny. Every firearm law is a infringement to us exceeding our 2a rights. It could not be any clearer, keep and bare arms....and not be infringed. In other words the gov has no say in the matter whether you agree with some laws or not. there is no statement forbidding certain types of firearms or accesories. The whole point really was that the people stay better armed then the gov. Now ask yourself which way it is? You have people begging permission and paying a 200 dollar tax to somewhat quiet a firearm....which then drives the cost of said device....somewhat of a rant, I know...
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Post by nolongcolt on Jul 11, 2014 14:37:35 GMT -5
The gov will never repeal it. It will be up to us to actually excersise our rights as free people. Kinda like concealed carry "rights". It's a right but you have to ask permission from gov and pay a fee??? The only way they manage this is cause we all say "yes master". Fear of consequences from disobeying is how they rule. That's not a free society, in fact the definition of tyranny. Every firearm law is a infringement to us exceeding our 2a rights. It could not be any clearer, keep and bare arms....and not be infringed. In other words the gov has no say in the matter whether you agree with some laws or not. there is no statement forbidding certain types of firearms or accesories. The whole point really was that the people stay better armed then the gov. Now ask yourself which way it is? You have people begging permission and paying a 200 dollar tax to somewhat quiet a firearm....which then drives the cost of said device....somewhat of a rant, I know... Rant yes, But you are absolutely right! I personally have no use for a suppressor and wont pay the tax to own one, but they should be available to all without a permit or tax involved. |
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Post by schmidty on Jul 11, 2014 14:57:52 GMT -5
It's really just a decades-long backdoor route to gun control. What they have done is made an entire class of firearms so expensive, so limited in number, and so strict in the requirements for ownership - that a good portion of the population either cannot afford them, or cannot meet the requirements...or both. What happened in 1986, blocking importation and domestic manufacture of machine guns for the civilian market...was every bit as bad as the 1934 Act.
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. Don't get me started on the absurdity of restricting suppressors...the NFA is going on 80 years old now, and no one has ever challenged, or at least successfully challenged it. Might as well take short barreled firearms off of the restricted list too....they are no more dangerous than a longer barrreled version. In other countries, suppressors are over-the-counter items which are encouraged by the authorities as reducing noise pollution. Here in the good old USA, the politicians only knowledge of suppressors is from watching assassins in James Bond films.
