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Post by curmudgeon on Jan 16, 2014 21:23:01 GMT -5
Me too Len, better times etc. However I have no regrets, probably would not change a thing except knowing what I know now, I would have built all 100 of the Howdah's in 500 caliber only. An 8" only barreled version, with various sight, finish, and stock options. And forgot about 375, 416, 460 and 475 calibers. And not limited it to 100 guns.
To better times, Cheers, LEJ
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Post by groo on Jan 17, 2014 3:35:24 GMT -5
Groo here
I have an SSK 10 in [smallest they would make with a Super Arester brake] in 411JDJ.
The gun is shorter than a 6 in Nframe and lighter.
210gr at 1800fps and string flat to 100yds.
It is easy to shoot one handed with the Brake and can throw 300gr cast as well.
Now J.D. would make it in 405win.
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Post by indigowolf on Jan 17, 2014 9:26:08 GMT -5
Thanks Groo for your comment. You answered a part of my question no one had addressed yet by comparing it to a N-frame revolver.
I want to take a trip up to Kittery Trading Post to check their used barrel inventory to see if there is anything there that I might be able to work with in a bull barrel 41 or larger caliber.
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Post by bud on Jan 20, 2014 15:47:34 GMT -5
I've owned and carried a nifty 10" 41Mag for the same reason....but didn't feel to great about the one shot (but I'm a huge TC fan). For walking in areas that you feel threatened I felt I needed something with abit more firepower....and I'm not talking about hunting....just protecting me and my bride from harm. I ended up with a Kel-tec PMR 30 which has a 30 shot clip and weighs 19oz fully loaded. It also comes with a spare mag. Load only 28 as it don't work well with 30. I use solid 22Mag ammo. Even a bear will have trouble with 28 rds of 22mags in his face....and 28 more if need be.
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Post by curmudgeon on Jan 21, 2014 0:10:24 GMT -5
Whats all this questions of the risk of single shot in the wild?  What about the pioneers and the Beaver trappers that went into the wild. Guess all you arm chair shooters would have stayed home Not to many real hunters or outdoorsmen around today. Pass the jug, lets have another round. LEJ |
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Post by indigowolf on Jan 21, 2014 6:54:14 GMT -5
Whats all this questions of the risk of single shot in the wild? What about the pioneers and the Beaver trappers that went into the wild. Guess all you arm chair shooters would have stayed home Not to many real hunters or outdoorsmen around today. Pass the jug, lets have another round. LEJ +1 I never felt under gunned carrying my 22lr revolver in years past. A single shot thumper would be a bonus. |
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Post by dmize on Jan 21, 2014 13:33:43 GMT -5
Whats all this questions of the risk of single shot in the wild? What about the pioneers and the Beaver trappers that went into the wild. Guess all you arm chair shooters would have stayed home Not to many real hunters or outdoorsmen around today. Pass the jug, lets have another round. LEJ Don't you read "hunting" magazines now days Lee? The critters are tougher now. Now it takes at LEAST a 300 Win Mag with 300 grain uranium cored partitions to kill a white tail in some places........ |
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Post by Len on Jan 21, 2014 14:47:00 GMT -5
Whats all this questions of the risk of single shot in the wild? What about the pioneers and the Beaver trappers that went into the wild. Guess all you arm chair shooters would have stayed home Not to many real hunters or outdoorsmen around today. Pass the jug, lets have another round. LEJ I agree if I were to get serious about handgun hunting Lee's suggestion of a .50 caliber with a 10" barrel would be my preference over a revolver. Also getting used to having and quickly loading spare cartridges held in you off hand is a good idea used to do this when getting in close and carrying a double rifle. I have killed more than my share of elephants and cape buffalo and looking back I regret not doing a few with a hand canon. Admittedly I would not back someone up with a single shot on dangerous game but I would not hesitate to hunt with a single shot especially in North America. In Africa more often than not I had a large caliber double and my wildcat .338 in a single shot. The 1st shot is always the most critical and should be placed carefully. |
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Post by jayhawker on Jan 21, 2014 19:27:10 GMT -5
Original post was a handgun for protection against bear, moose and mountain lion. A ss just isn't the way to go.
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Post by seancass on Jan 22, 2014 10:12:44 GMT -5
Rifles!? Hand cannons? You Cowards! I go afield with only long fingernails and a scruffy beard to protect me and they haven't let me down yet!
Anywho, I'd really like to know the weight difference between the guns we're comparing.
Seems like there are three schools of thought:
1. Carry whatever you're comfortable with.(confidence is everything!)
2. One well placed shot is all you'll ever need.
3. Mo is betta!
I fall in at one and three. A revolver will still place the first shot well, and if the silly bear doesn't know he's supposed to die, you can quickly try again to convince him not to eat you.
You could train and become very fast and effective with the single shot, no doubt. But if you spent that same time training with a revolver, you'd be faster and more effective. That's why revolvers came to be in the first place: they were faster and more effective.
Of course, if you're a big single shot fan, this whole argument is academic. You'll happily carry one and probably never used it for defence. If you do, it should be effective, Lord willing, as effective as any other gun.
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Post by Len on Jan 22, 2014 16:11:54 GMT -5
How about a shortened full auto BAR
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Post by revolvergeek on Feb 4, 2014 13:00:54 GMT -5
Very interesting thread. I am pretty new to Contenders and all these custom variations are quite interesting. Regarding the original post, I could get behind this idea better if you were talking about something heavier, like a .45-70 or even .35 Remington maybe, but seems like an old BHawk in .45 colt or .44 mag with an aluminum grip frame would be still plenty light and give you easier follow up shots. Personally I think that a 4" Redhawk would be my companion in that situation. A 6" barrel in .480 or .50 special might be a lot of fun to knock around with though.. Have to think about that.... That said, the old 10" octagon .44 mag barrels are pretty light weight. I recently saw a 6" .357 mag barrel and it was really neat looking. Sadly he would not sell it separate from the gun and I could not afford it and the two NIB Contender barrels he had for sale both.  |
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Post by jayhawker on Feb 4, 2014 21:53:24 GMT -5
I do like that "manlicher" look.
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Post by humphrey on Feb 17, 2014 2:40:24 GMT -5
Um we are talking New Hampshire. 200 lbs blackies, The possible mountain lion as the eastern has been declared extinct as the last confirmed one was decades ago and the terrain and food supply is not ideal for a western cougar. Moose are a joke, it is a big tall fuzzy cow. I walk up on moose all the time in western Maine bird hunting in the White's, they are quite possibly the dumbest animal on this continent; the only way one of them will kill you is through your own stupidity. Unloading a cylinder full of 357 mags into the critter would easily suffice a lot better then one shot of 44 mag when in a hurry. Honestly a contender in 45/410 with a 3" load of number 8's to the face would make me feel more secure then a single 44. If it can't see, can't hear and can't smell it is not much of a threat to me anymore. If you want more firepower in a lighter package, get a 10mm, 460 roland, 45 super, 40 S&W +P. Figure $400 to $500 for a used contender or $500 for a new Tangfolio (cz pattern pistol) in 10mm with 15 rounds? TC contender frame weighs 19 ounces add at least another 10 for a barrel and fore stock so about 29-30 oz. versus 30 oz. for an auto loader.
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Post by indigowolf on Feb 17, 2014 6:47:39 GMT -5
I did state that it was a crazy idea didn't I ... Yes 200+ lb blackies roam the mountains usually flee when humans are present. Mountain lion sightings in recent years are in fact un confirmed. Stories of bull a Moose on the rampage may in fact be just stories. Fact is I'd still like to pack something with a little more whollop than my CC .380acp which is better than nothing. A 45acp 1911 or .357 revolver may be on the horizon in the near future, which truthfully would negate the need for the contender as a defense weapon. Still though, I like the idea of having a contender with a short barrel for hunting bear and deer and to have one along on a stroll through the woods as an added bonus isn't IMHO well, too crazy. Thanks for the input.
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