End of the lead bullet? FOX story

[nolongcolt]

Just a matter of time.www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/21/end-line-for-lead-bullet-regulations-bans-force-switch-to-green-ammo/?intcmp=latestnews

[schmidty]

What exactly do they mean by a "ban"? What effect would it have on existing supplies of lead projectiles?

[dmize]

I don't know about anyone else but the military explanation made me laugh. "same performance but safe for the environment" hmmmmmmmm.

[cmh]

You just have to love idiots...... their fun to watch and entertaining to listen to. Would love to sit.down.and.ask them to tell me exactly where lead.comes from.... a special kind of stupid!!!!

[Deleted]

Coming up next: non-toxic artillery shells & bombs!

[seancass]

Sure, we can all laugh, but this is actually happening. It already happened in California and the military. Colorado is probably next. It'll be hilarious until we can't buy any more ammo.

[zac0419]

Seeing as how a very large percentage of bullets contain lead I highly doubt we are only a few years from lead going away as his "experts say". That article is rife with errors and conjecture. How much of the US lead supply did that plant really produce? he makes it sound like we're going to run out now but he makes no mention of facts or figures. This article belongs on the Huffington Post.

I do believe there are groups pushing hard in the direction of non lead but it is still quite some time off. We cannot give an inch in the fight or they will take it all. Stay persistent and keep the right people in office.

And I don't believe Colorado is next, we have shown our politicians the door when they fail to listen to their constituents. The writing is on the wall.

Three down, plenty more to go.

[dmize]

It has been very publicized within our community that our lead has come from recycled sources for years.
This is another prime example of "scare tactics" this is going to do nothing but make our current "ammo shortage" last even longer.

[jgt]

This is coming from anti-gun people. It is their end run around the Second Amendment. When they got away with banning lead shot, they saw their in-road.

The public didn't know the difference between a puddle duck and the rest. If what tree huggers claimed were true, it would have only effected puddle ducks, since they were the only ones that fed off the bottom. Instead the claim was treated as if lead shot was a real threat to all waterfoul. Lead shot was banned and a lot of people just quit hunting waterfoul. The result was loss of revenue for more wetlands and less waterfoul harvested. The flocks became over populated and polluted nesting grounds. Cholera killed hundreds of thousands of birds.

Now comes the claim that banning lead from areas that condors use protects them from lead poisoning. The claim is that Condors injest lead left in the gut pile when deer and other animals are harvested in the areas they populate. Hogwash! I doubt you can find an actual case where one died from ingesting a lead projectile. Mainly because the lead most hunters use does not stay in the carcus. Most bullets pass completely through an animal so is not in the "gut pile" As claimed by tree huggers. Secondly, for The few that do stay in an animal most are found and taken by hunters as examples of bullet performance under actual conditions. That leaves precious few to be consumed. Of those left not all would be eaten as raptures tear off small bits at a time and the projectile would be similar to eating around a bone. Then there is the fact that for many hundreds of years we have used lead bullets and no harm came to raptures. Their threat supposedly came from use of DDT that made their eggshells soft and brake when the parent sat on them to nest. So to expand this rediculous lie to include lead as poisoning the enviroment because it is changed from ore to bullets is like saying iron threatens the inviroment when it is changed from ore to steel. Lead is a naturally occuring resourse that has alway been in our enviroment.

People need to wake up and think for themselves and quit listening to the babble coming from some apartment dwelling tree hugger who's closest exposure to nature is to hang out at Starbucks and drink mountain grown coffee.

[Snyd]

hmmm. This is just weird...“This makes the projectile environmentally friendly, while still giving soldiers the performance capabilities they need on the battlefield.”

Now we are going to kill people in an "environmentally friendly" way and pat ourselves on the back for it?

[seancass]

Dec 23, 2013 13:12:54 GMT -5 Snyd said:

Now we are going to kill people in an "environmentally friendly" way and pat ourselves on the back for it?

To be fair, something like 99% of military bullets fired don't hit humans. You can look up stats of kills/wounded vs bullets fired.

[schmidty]

Well, whether or not you buy into the conspiracy theory, it is having an effect. A guy that I buy cast bullets from has suddenly raised his prices a few bucks per box. Even though nothing's really changed as far as supply and demand goes, some people must be speculating that per pound lead prices are going to escalate.

[dougader]

Ammo runs $4 a round for 9mm in Ecuador... and that's if you can get a permit and a gun to start with. And that's the price for police to practice with, too. So, basically, they don't pratice much.

If you think being forced to buy all copper projectiles is bad, you only have to look to other countries to see where the anti-gun zealots here are wanting to go.