50 AK or 50-110 in a a Ruger #1

[josht500]

I'm wanting to build a 50AK on a Ruger #1 with an 18" barrel. But since grizzly is selling 50-110 now and that brass is available is the 50-110 loaded right much or any better than the AK?

[curmudgeon]

Why not a 500 Linebaugh, its been done several times.

[curmudgeon]

With full bore loads the Linebaugh will give you about as much fun as you can stand.

[500fksjr]

Dec 15, 2013 1:53:12 GMT -5 josht500 said:

I'm wanting to build a 50AK on a Ruger #1 with an 18" barrel. But since grizzly is selling 50-110 now and that brass is available is the 50-110 loaded right much or any better than the AK?

josht500, I shoot both I have a C.Sharps Arms 74 50 AK & a winchester 86 in 50 express that shoots both 50-110 or 50 alaskan...I find that I can load 50 ak from 1100 to 1900 fps with 450gr...the 86 win is fun with 700 grn at 1300fps...50 AK at 1500 fps or greater in vel. is no picnic... both will do any thing you need fromm ground squirrels to elephant....FWIW enjoy!

[Encore64]

Contact Regan Nonneman at leveractions.com.  He specializes in this conversion and is very reasonable.

[josht500]

Dec 15, 2013 2:12:00 GMT -5 curmudgeon said:

Why not a 500 Linebaugh, its been done several times.

Honestly I haven't thought about the Linebaugh. Assumed that an 18" barrel would be to long to effectively burn the powder. Maybe the max version.

[josht500]

I've noticed the 50AK & 50-110 are loaded to the same level by Grizzly 525@1850. I would guess the 50/110 does it with a bit less pressure. Since I'm planning on using the 525, could the 50-110 be loaded hotter since it has a slightly longer case? Or is not worth it since 50Ak brass is easier to find. I'm trying get everything sorted out no before I send the gun out. Thanks for the replies guys.

[ramjet]

I am going to believe that would kick like a mule. I just sent a Ruger Number one off to Reeder to convert to 375 GNR #2 I have on in a Marlin Conversion and am convinced besides the 30-30 it is one of the best calibers out there. Loading a 250 hard FP running 2400 FPS is scary accurate the recoil is very manageable. The gun will take down anything on this earth. The No1 will be for my son 18" barrel so really handi powerful and accurate.

Crazy we have to base our decisions on impending availability of brass and reloading components. That is one of the other reasons I choose the GNR 375 #2 formed easily from 45-70 brass.

However I understand the quest for bigger and better………

50-110 Would give you allot of choices for loadings and brass is listed at Starline however on back order but quick internet search came up with several resources so that is the way I would go. If you get that bad boy built up send me PM I have bunch .510 425 grain HP bullets cast up from Mihec mould.

Here is link to the very conversation of what you are asking about.

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[josht500]

Dec 15, 2013 10:42:55 GMT -5 ramjet said:

I am going to believe that would kick like a mule. I just sent a Ruger Number one off to Reeder to convert to 375 GNR #2 I have on in a Marlin Conversion and am convinced besides the 30-30 it is one of the best calibers out there. Loading a 250 hard FP running 2400 FPS is scary accurate the recoil is very manageable. The gun will take down anything on this earth. The No1 will be for my son 18" barrel so really handi powerful and accurate.

Crazy we have to base our decisions on impending availability of brass and reloading components. That is one of the other reasons I choose the GNR 375 #2 formed easily from 45-70 brass.

However I understand the quest for bigger and better………

50-110 Would give you allot of choices for loadings and brass is listed at Starline however on back order but quick internet search came up with several resources so that is the way I would go. If you get that bad boy built up send me PM I have bunch .510 425 grain HP bullets cast up from Mihec mould.

Here is link to the very conversation of what you are asking about.

link

Thanks ramjet. Reeder will also be making mine as will. Not really one of his beast rifle but just a plaing matte finished wit the small partsin satin stainless. Will most likely have a break on it as well. I guess iy comes down to which I want. At same levels I would assume the 50-110 has a little less recoil due the the longer case. But in a #1 either will be a monster.

[bradshaw]

I believe Curmudgeon hints at a detail in the question. Namely, behavior of the long .50-110 case in an 18" barrel. I would not be surprised at reduced efficiency in the carbine, with potential for high extreme spreads & vertical stringing.
David Bradshaw

[dmize]

Having shot a 50-110 loaded with black powder in a Sharps,I am sitting here shaking my head thinking of what the abuse level would be like in a #1.

[500fksjr]

Dec 16, 2013 21:04:59 GMT -5 dmize said:

Having shot a 50-110 loaded with black powder in a Sharps,I am sitting here shaking my head thinking of what the abuse level would be like in a #1.

Well said a 50-110 with a 435 grn vs a 50AK same bullet not much advantage....move to a 50 ak brass with a 650 or 680 grn at 1500 to 1600 fps that will let you know something shorten case length to cycle in 86 winchester...and thats out of 9.5 pd gun..

[ramjet]

All excellent points why not the 510 GNR can be loaded to both ends of the scale and efficient in the carbine length barrel

[Encore64]

Nothing wrong with anything mentioned.  I don't think the short barrel is a good idea with all the powder to be burned, but to each his own.  There are many powders well suited for the large cases these days.  Again, handloaders look at things differently than guys who shoot factory ammo.

I have two rifles chambered in 50 Alaskan.  Neither are nightmares in the recoil dept, but I rarely use full powered loads.  My two guns are just about as different as you can get. But, both work well.

[curmudgeon]

josht500: I'm not sure I follow your direction on the 18" bbl being inefficient??
A few years back. John Ross of Unintended Consequences" fame.
Had a couple rifles made for himself and Kent Lomont. As since you seem to be more interested in self abuse rather than practicality thought I would share some of Kents findings. John went to Heym to have the rifles built. Two each in 2 bore and 4 bore.
The 2 bore used a 2200 grain projectile. Rather than powder charge they went by velocity. John quit at 1400 fps. Kent took it to 2000 fps. He brought it to the Linebaugh Seminar in Cody. Had some 1200 fps loads with him. A few people even tried it.
The next year he brought it with a couple 2200 fps loads. He would not let anybody shoot it and later put it up as too dangerous to shoot. A couple guys dislocated shoulders and a couple broken collar bones. It broke Kent's collar bone but said it had been broken 2 times before during his Bull riding days in college, and felt it was already weakened. Said it would spin him 180 degrees
and drive his knee in the ground. Said the knee hurt worse than the shoulder. I asked why? He said there was a rock in the ground just below the grass level.
I asked him what he thought recoil in ft. lbs. might be, he figured in excess of 250 ft.lb.
I didn't question him but a 12# rifle with a MV 0f 2000 fps and a 2200 gr. projectile???
He said a great rifle at about 12-1500 fps. But that was Kent.
Kent was an Electrical Engineer by profession, a Notre Dame Grad.
Before he passed he was also known as the US's largest machine gun dealer. This January will be one year since his passing. Most of our personal dealings were of the handgun variety, excepting 50 BMG rifles. RIP Kent, a true individual