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Post by seancass on Dec 2, 2013 11:58:29 GMT -5
I haven't shot a .460 yet, but the subject of muzzle blast reminded me of shooting my friends SBR AR in 223 with a 10 inch barrel. The blast was literally like being punched in the nose. The blast would hit your sinuses pretty hard. I could only shoot a few rounds! This was after shooting a quick session of 454 so i was already "used" to some blast. Very strange senstation, had you wondering if the next one would make your nose bleed. I don't know if the 460 gives similar results.
I have an Encore in 44 and i find it less pleasant to shoot than a Ruger. I was surprised by that, because the gun is, of course, HUGE! 14 or 15 inch barrel. Because of the weight, you almost have to shoot it from the bench. This forces all the recoil strait to your elbows, pushing them in the table.
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Post by toddb on Dec 2, 2013 20:23:03 GMT -5
I never shoot large guns from a sitting position. Pistol or rifle.
If there are not standing bench type arrangements available, I use shooting sticks or a tree or whatever is available that I can use safely.
The sitting position usually puts your body mass in a forward position and focuses all the energy into the arms. You cannot move enough with recoil to make shooting a comfortable experience.
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Post by AxeHandle on Dec 5, 2013 7:57:41 GMT -5
Speaking of big gawky 45 cal revolvers... The BFR is pretty svelte compared to the X frame S&W. The 450 Marlin case looks to be the 460s daddy too! Not even talking about how tough bullets are much easier to find for a .458 bore gun.
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Post by woodwright on Dec 5, 2013 11:25:51 GMT -5
Sweet. I miss my 45-70 BFR
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Post by cmh on Dec 5, 2013 11:29:04 GMT -5
Now you opened up a can of worms..... I know zip about the 450 marlin
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Post by dmize on Dec 5, 2013 17:55:16 GMT -5
Now you opened up a can of worms..... I know zip about the 450 marlin Don't know about a BFR but "properly" handloaded they can be quite invigorating in an 1895.
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Post by whitworth on Dec 5, 2013 18:52:24 GMT -5
Now you opened up a can of worms..... I know zip about the 450 marlin Don't know about a BFR but "properly" handloaded they can be quite invigorating in an 1895. Yes they can!
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Post by woodwright on Dec 5, 2013 23:27:20 GMT -5
The BFR's are awesome. I would rather shoot hot loads out of my 45-70 BFR than out of my 1895gs.
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Post by Markbo on Dec 6, 2013 14:45:50 GMT -5
Svelte? Maybe. Disproportionate. Awkward. Cartoonish. There are some other adjectives for the long cylindered BFRs.
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Post by Lee Martin on Dec 6, 2013 15:18:16 GMT -5
I bought a 450 Marlin BFR when they came out in 2002. Some of the most wrist wrenching loads I've ever fired from a handgun came from it. One in particular was Leadheads' 465 grain at close to 1,700 fps. I won't mention the exact charge but it involved a heavily compressed amount of H322. When I checked the load in my ballistic software it put pressure close to 50,000 PSI ("estimated" being the key word). Extraction was effortless and the belt didn't mic excessive. Considering the velocity though I'm sure I was well beyond the safe SAAMI of 43,000. In time I backed down to Remington 405 gr soft-noses and 3031. Here's a 100 yard target I fired off the bench a few years ago. The three that didn't land were right off the upper edge of the plate: As much as I like the gun I'm making changes this winter. First it'll get the Huntington grip job in walnut. Then I plan to chop the barrel back to 8.0" and install a new front sight. -Lee www.singleactions.com
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 6, 2013 15:31:33 GMT -5
Sounds like a plan. I have the 7.5" version of the 45-70 BFR. Actually the barrel is 8.2" due to the way Magnum Research measures it. Since the 450 Marlin is a belted 45-70, it will be in the same ballpark.
I spoke to Jack a few days back about altering the grip on mine. I have plenty of the walnut left that I sent you (Lee) a box of. Might happen.
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Post by Lee Martin on Dec 6, 2013 15:42:26 GMT -5
I still have plenty of panels left from that box you sent me. Some of it'll definitely go to Jack for the grip work. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by kaytod on Dec 10, 2013 19:31:45 GMT -5
I haven't shot the 460 in the S&W platform, however a friend had one in the 15" Encore barrel. He complained of poor accuracy, so I inquired as to his loads. He had only shot 45 Colt and 454 Casull, but no 460 Smith. I took the barrel home and went to the LGS to get some factory ammo. I purchased a box of Hornady's with the 200 grain FTX. The gentleman behind the counter asked if I wanted some once fired brass. Seems they had a S&W trade in with one box of empty brass. So I picked up the brass too. Upon inspection of the fired brass, it was severely bulged just above the web, as if fired in an oversize chamber. I figured, no wonder why the fellow traded.
I installed the barrel on my Encore and shot a group at 100 yards thru the Chronograph. The velocity was 2550 fps from the 15" Encore barrel, but the group was not impressive. Upon the inspection of the cases I'd shot from the Encore, they exhibited the same bulge and was sooted on the OD of the case nearly to the base, reminding me of a wadcutter target load.
Back in the house I go, and use a fired case and bullet to see what the throat length was. I ended up sizing a RCBS 458-405 GC bullet to .452 and putting in the case as the little 200 grain bullets ( having a bearing surface of .375 ) weren't long enough to touch the lands. Upon final measurement, the throat length was .625 before hitting the lands. Yep 5/8" ahead of the case mouth.
I concluded the long throat was the cause of the sooting of the cases as it would puke the bullet out and the 52+ grains of ball powder before the pressures would weld the case to the chamber walls. ( Also factory ammo I measured was dead straight from base to bullet so the taper was cut onto the chamber accounting for the bulged cases. The RCBS bullet would at least be in the case the length of the gas check when it would encounter the lands. So 30ish grains of H4198 yielded 1300 fps and groups under 2 inches with my eyes and iron sights at 100 yards.
Perhaps it was just the barrel I worked with, but it left me with the impression that the 45-70 in that particular package is far more useful with far less fuss.
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Post by gw425 on Dec 10, 2013 20:52:29 GMT -5
I had a 460xvr for a couple of years. Very fun gun to shoot, although I only shot the factory loads. Very accurate, recoil was a piece of cake. With scope, it was almost 6lbs. It is a very awkward gun to carry, even in a chest holster. I finally sold it, as I really couldn't find a use for it.
Greg
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Post by saleen322 on Jan 8, 2014 9:09:22 GMT -5
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