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Post by woodwright on Nov 22, 2013 22:29:57 GMT -5
A friend of mine had one a few years ago. I shot it quite a bit. Heres MY impression. Its mind numbingly loud. Even with hearing protection. And you can see the muzzle blast in broad daylight. Its not exactly packable. On the plus side, being able to shoot 45 colt and 454 casull is kinda cool. And due to its size, full power 454 loads are pretty tame. I think with a scope it would be a good deer gun. I always wanted to build up some loads with heavy bullets, but someone stole it out of his truck before we could. Just figure out what you want out of it and go from there. Did I mention it is freakishly loud?
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Post by cmh on Nov 23, 2013 11:30:48 GMT -5
Yeah its loud for sure
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Post by woodwright on Nov 23, 2013 15:56:27 GMT -5
I was amazed even standing next to it. The air shook and you're vision would blur.
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Post by cmh on Nov 23, 2013 16:15:03 GMT -5
Yes the concussion of the round especially with the new comp on it was big. Reminded me of shooting the 30-378 ..... had a heck of a bark. But I will say with his comp the follow up shot was almost instantaneous as it really drowned the recoil. I look forwardd to one of my own.
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Post by curmudgeon on Nov 23, 2013 21:46:36 GMT -5
I remember hearing all the stories about muzzle blast and report when the 44 Mag came out. Apparently many of the youngsters on this board are too young to remember that.
As muzzle reports go, I fing the 30 Carbine in the Ruger and the 22 Jet in the Mod 53 Smith objectionable w/o ear muffs.
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Post by toddb on Nov 24, 2013 1:14:56 GMT -5
When I purchased mine my son was 8 years old or so. I would take him to the range and let him shoot the 22's and a 9mm. I usually save the larger stuff for later in the range session. The only factory ammunition I shot in my 460 was a box of 200 gr Hornady's. We were both wearing earplugs and muffs over them.I remember loading up a cylinder full and easing the hammer back. The first three rounds went downrange without a hitch. I looked over my shoulder for my son. He would usually watch me shoot a 44 or 45 colt standing just a few feet behind me and about 10 feet to my right. I like him there as I can usually catch his movement in my vision.
He was across the parking lot next to my pick-up. I unloaded the two remaining rounds and walked back over to him.... He did not look disturbed..just this big smile. I asked him what was going on.
He said.... "There's a lot of fire coming out of that one ...and I can feel the air hitting my body when it goes off, I think that's the meanest gun you have".
I've since moved to shooting a bit heavier bullets staying away from H110 when I reload for it. The 200's at 2K is a bit like setting a stick of dynamite off about 2' in front of one's self. Does tend to produce a flinch if repeated often.
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Post by bradshaw on Nov 24, 2013 10:09:23 GMT -5
toddb.... I've never set off dynamite 2' in front of me, so I can't say how the sound sensation would compare to the .460 S&W. Your analogy may be accurate, although hearing loss might be the least of hazards from the dynamite. People have asked whether hearing protection is necessary in open air blasting. My answer is simple: If you're close enough to dynamite to need ear muffs, that's the least of your worries. No so, with C4 (Composition 4) and other military explosives in the 23,000 to 27,000 fps VOD (Velocity of Detonation) range. Said concussion produces a high cycles per second sound wave, which can be ear splitting at a reasonably safe standoff distance. (I would expect tremendous hearing loss and traumatic concussion injuries among troops caught by car bombs and mines dug into roads and made from high VOD military munitions.) Perhaps the .460 should come with 50 foot rubber arms to provide ear relief.
Lee Jurras.... Always read with interest your various experiences, salted with the likes of government cartoon characters whose sense of self-importance is so extreme they're incapable of learning. And the 147 grain 9mm: I thought the heavy bullet was to go subsonic, not impart more momentum to the slide. Shot a silhouette match with a SIG/Sauer P226 9mm, loaded with Winchester or Federal----I think Winchester----147 JHP. Hit six rams, which fell ever-so-slowly. Maybe only five of 'em fell, but you get the idea, that little pea had a bit of push left. Must say the stands were clean, targets unwarped, and there was no wind, let alone a head wind, or all bets would have been off.
Of the S&W M39s and M59s I fired, none could have snuck up on the SIG. David Bradshaw
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Post by schmidty on Nov 24, 2013 12:26:05 GMT -5
I fired a friends .460 recently. The blast reminded of the time when I was in 5th grade and my friend got a hold of one of his Dad's 1950's vintage cherry bombs. I put it on a fence post and stood about 8-10 feet away and patiently waited for the sluggish fuse to burn down. The other kids ran about 50 yards away. They were the smart ones.
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Post by toddb on Nov 24, 2013 17:49:07 GMT -5
I've never set off dynamite 2' in front of me, so I can't say how the sound sensation would compare to the .460 S&W. Your analogy may be accurate, although hearing loss might be the least of hazards from the dynamite.
Well, I haven't either.....and would opt to be at a signifiant distance to observe any type of explosive. Theres definitely a percussion / pressure wave that can be felt. Wearing double hearing protection helps reduce the overall assault on the senses. The gun is heavy and is not really bad as far as recoil in comparison to other large bores. I've never, nor will I ever fire it at an indoor range.
When sighting it in for my hunting this fall, I opted to move out from under the covered portion of the range.
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Post by woodwright on Nov 24, 2013 20:04:48 GMT -5
I also thought the lack of muzzle rise was weird. Its actually the reason I bought my 45-70 BFR. I think if I was set on a 460, it would be a BFR.
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Post by curmudgeon on Nov 24, 2013 20:32:16 GMT -5
David B. The 147 FMJ was to impart more recoil and be subsonic for the Supressed Experimental 6" barreled Smith. That later became, the 59. Like you, I will take the SIG
anytime. My favorite was the 210-5 Sig-Neuhausen. Had one back in the early 60's. Used it to test Super Vel 90 and 112 gr. projectiles on Varmints. Locked up like the
proverbial bank vault door. Just a super slick gun. Never tried it on steel tho.
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Post by cmh on Nov 24, 2013 20:53:35 GMT -5
I also thought the lack of muzzle rise was weird. Its actually the reason I bought my 45-70 BFR. I think if I was set on a 460, it would be a BFR. My friend.machined a compensator for his and it works very well. Big difference between a.stock one and the one he built for
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Post by Markbo on Nov 25, 2013 13:46:33 GMT -5
I can't talk about long range work because I simply have not done any with mine beyond 100 yards. While the concussion of the .460 is impressive I try to never shoot ANY CF handgun without hearing protection whether at the range or hunting. I know I have already damaged hearing and would like to retain what I have left for as long as possible. FWIW I find it more enjoyable to shoot than the Casull because of recoil impulse. The Casull is way more snappy.
And insofar as field carry, I use strong side, cross draw and shoulder holsters so having to have this one in a shoulder holster is no big deal to me. My .475 BFR in a belt holster is enough gun for anything I will ever see.
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Post by Encore64 on Nov 25, 2013 14:18:39 GMT -5
I was able to shoot a friends 460 XVR quite a bit and was constantly disappointed. It was heavy and very, very loud. The recoil was nothing with the brake, but you could feel the blast.
One is able to fire 45 Colt and 454 Casull ammo in it, but accuracy was not very good to say the least.
If anyone one wants one of these, more power to them. For long range shooting, I use the T/C Encores and G2s. For a packing gun, I can imagine much my BFR 500 JRH won't handle and I don't need training wheels to carry it.
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Post by cmh on Nov 26, 2013 15:00:34 GMT -5
I can't say I have ever tried the TC Encore or G2 ...... see alot of you fella's on here pull triggers on them. Might just have to give one a try sometime I can see how it would be advantageous to have several cartriges for the price of a new barrel.
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