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Post by Lee Martin on Oct 17, 2013 13:35:22 GMT -5
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Post by bigbores on Oct 17, 2013 13:48:05 GMT -5
That was pretty good. Looked real, had the camera not captured his head dead center for filming after falling I would have believed it. His shirt was a good clue also.
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Ouch....
Oct 18, 2013 2:36:19 GMT -5
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Post by sathington on Oct 18, 2013 2:36:19 GMT -5
That guy is great. His YouTube channel is filled with ridiculous slingshots he's crafted. My favorite is the toilet brush slingshot youtu.be/bIkEHtD42-8
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 26, 2013 11:29:28 GMT -5
Lee.... Having not watched cartoons in a while, I stumbled over your "Ouch!" lead to this clown with ball bearing slingshot. Discussing the penetration qualities of various projectiles with the inventor of Second Chance body armor, Richard Davis showed me a French 12 gauge slug loaded with a fat steel ball bearing. Davis said the French round possessed serious impact----and PENETRATION. Can you imagine these things ricochetting around a concrete hallway?
When the guy in the video "recovers" from his concussion with brain hemorrhage, he may want to study the billiard ball elasticity of steel for a better understanding of the TERMINAL part of terminal ballistics. Thanks for the cartoon, David Bradshaw
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Post by nolongcolt on Oct 26, 2013 12:09:38 GMT -5
I get the feeling that some think this is faked. Why is that? Looked pretty real to me, and what would be the point in faking it?
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Post by bigbores on Oct 26, 2013 18:32:45 GMT -5
I get the feeling that some think this is faked. Why is that? Looked pretty real to me, and what would be the point in faking it? Yep I think its faked. the camera doesn't seem to "fall hard" and after falling it just happens to catch his head centered showing off the damage. All seems a little fishy. As for why, probably because he can, just having some fun, or maybe he got one to many posts saying he was going to hurt himself with one of those slingshots. Does look very real...
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Post by bigbores on Oct 26, 2013 18:38:32 GMT -5
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Post by nolongcolt on Oct 26, 2013 20:41:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the link, had me fooled.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 27, 2013 9:58:05 GMT -5
I believe the video is real. Even if the video is fake, the idiocy of slinging a ball bearing at a perpendicular refractive surface is real. The avulsion and shock displayed on the happy-go-lucky ballistic scientist's skull don't appear slapped on by a makeup artist.
There was a U-Tube video of a guy took a shot off the bench with a .50 BMG rifle. Appeared to be in a gravel pit. Target, evidently thick plate steel. Bullet ZANG'd back, knocked off his hat. My guess is that the plate was cratered, and the BMG round ricochetted back from the crater. Also, it seemed the target was too close.
IHMSA silhouetter Conie Robertson was conducting qualification at a sheriff's range in California. Noticed the targets were set on extruded signposts, he said, with the channel facing the firing line! Robertson said he objected to the setup, but was overruled. A lead .38 Special fired by a deputy ricochetted back from the channel a killed the officer. As a separate matter, and prior to this tragedy, I conducted tests on bullet SPLASHBACK and RICOCHET for IHMSA and confirmed that experience reported from silhouette ranges around the country mandates COMMON SENSE as the first doctrine of safety. Railroad track, turned upside down, was a favorite for silhouette stands. High ricochet potential. Railroad rail is tough, heat treated alloy steel. The channel must be buried, and preferably fronted with RR ties.
Cratering of silhouettes cut from mild steel early on pointed the way to T-1 steel. When a lead or jacketed lead bullet strikes flat steel perpendicular, the bullet disintegrates in a 360-degree fan of splatter, with little or no splashback. Same bullet hits a crater, bullet material funnels back toward firing line. Likewise any type of channel iron. Cohesiveness and elasticity make a steel projectile far more ricochet-prone.
As a side note, super hard cast lead explodes to dust on steel. Whereas a softer lead bullet holds together, inflicting more dwell time on the steel plate. By virtue of holding together, a steel projectile retains energy longer, energy otherwise spent in disintegration. David Bradshaw
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Post by bigbores on Oct 27, 2013 20:19:32 GMT -5
Faked, cost him less than 300 dollars, if you look at the link I gave he shows you how he did it and why. He also shows that the backstop isn't perpendicular and is made to absorb a lot of the energy. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5HUS8dLN0&feature=player_embeddedI believe the video is real. Even if the video is fake, the idiocy of slinging a ball bearing at a perpendicular refractive surface is real. The avulsion and shock displayed on the happy-go-lucky ballistic scientist's skull don't appear slapped on by a makeup artist. There was a U-Tube video of a guy took a shot off the bench with a .50 BMG rifle. Appeared to be in a gravel pit. Target, evidently thick plate steel. Bullet ZANG'd back, knocked off his hat. My guess is that the plate was cratered, and the BMG round ricochetted back from the crater. Also, it seemed the target was too close. IHMSA silhouetter Conie Robertson was conducting qualification at a sheriff's range in California. Noticed the targets were set on extruded signposts, he said, with the channel facing the firing line! Robertson said he objected to the setup, but was overruled. A lead .38 Special fired by a deputy ricochetted back from the channel a killed the officer. As a separate matter, and prior to this tragedy, I conducted tests on bullet SPLASHBACK and RICOCHET for IHMSA and confirmed that experience reported from silhouette ranges around the country mandates COMMON SENSE as the first doctrine of safety. Railroad track, turned upside down, was a favorite for silhouette stands. High ricochet potential. Railroad rail is tough, heat treated alloy steel. The channel must be buried, and preferably fronted with RR ties. Cratering of silhouettes cut from mild steel early on pointed the way to T-1 steel. When a lead or jacketed lead bullet strikes flat steel perpendicular, the bullet disintegrates in a 360-degree fan of splatter, with little or no splashback. Same bullet hits a crater, bullet material funnels back toward firing line. Likewise any type of channel iron. Cohesiveness and elasticity make a steel projectile far more ricochet-prone. As a side note, super hard cast lead explodes to dust on steel. Whereas a softer lead bullet holds together, inflicting more dwell time on the steel plate. By virtue of holding together, a steel projectile retains energy longer, energy otherwise spent in disintegration. David Bradshaw
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Post by AxeHandle on Oct 28, 2013 6:36:23 GMT -5
Fake? Not Fake? IMHO moot point. Don't remember any related deaths but NRA Hunter's pistol moved the chickens from 25 Yards to 40 yards early on because of stuff coming back. An indoor range in Birmingham had to ban shooting 38 special wadcutters at bowling pins because the bullets would come back. At our indoor range we routinely find all kinds of bullets and pieces of bullets behind the firing line. When shooting always wear those safety glasses and expect the unexpected.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 28, 2013 11:51:45 GMT -5
Sage advice, Axe.... Richard Davis started the bowling pin game with his Second Chance matches in Michigan. Intention, to promote his product. The pins had to be shot off steel tables 3 feet deep, clock stopped when last pin hit the ground. Kevlar or ballistic nylon bunting protected the front edge of the steel sheets. Davis quickly saw the ricochet potential off bowling pins of .38 Specials, especially with 158 round nose, and small buckshot. Pins were shot from 25 feet. Doubt he allowed the French 12 gauge ball bearing round on his range. David Bradshaw
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Post by tek4260 on Oct 28, 2013 12:00:50 GMT -5
I was concerned with rounds hitting the edge of my traps and coming back, but I don't think it is possible with cast lead. I can't see how a wadcutter would come back off a bowling pin. I don't doubt y'alls experiences, but I just can't seem to visualize what would have to happen for it to occur.
I do know first hand that a 230gr slug from a 45 will come back if it hits a steel rim in a pile of trash. Buddy of mine shot a beer bottle in the pile and the bullet came back and smacked me dead center of my shin. Makes your eyes water a bit....
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Post by jayhawker on Oct 28, 2013 12:54:09 GMT -5
Bowling pins are unique tactical targets. The size is just right to approximate the kill zone on a human target. I shot my share back when it was popular, usually with .45 Auto, but had good results one time with a .44 Spl Buntline.
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Post by 98redline on Oct 29, 2013 21:13:51 GMT -5
38spl wadcutters definitely come back when shooting bowling pins. We had a woman in the parking lot of our club hit dead center in the back after a bullet bounced nearly straight back off of a pin.
Didn't break her skin but scared the hell out of all of us. She dropped like a rock when she was hit.
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