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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 23, 2015 9:32:44 GMT -5
I do have a question for the group. How many of you are getting spitting or blow back from your Single Sevens? I ask because I am not quite sure some of that is not unburned H110 powder coming back.
I am thinking 2 things, faster powder say blue dot, and the Taylor throat may be an excellent option for these factory barrels.
One of the guys was going to try HS6, I believe it was wildwillalaska, but hasnt gotten back.....
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Post by wdr2 on Feb 23, 2015 9:54:35 GMT -5
I am getting a small amount of blow back occasionally using 12.5gr 296, Miha 115HP GC, CCI SP, Starline 327 brass. I am deep seating as well to an OAL of 1.48in. Accuracy is excellent in my 7.5in Single Seven, many 7-shot groups 1in to 1.2in at 25 yds. Too windy to shoot further so far. I am pretty sure the blow back is indeed unburned powder.
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 23, 2015 9:58:43 GMT -5
I do have a question for the group. How many of you are getting spitting or blow back from your Single Sevens? I ask because I am not quite sure some of that is not unburned H110 powder coming back. I am thinking 2 things, faster powder say blue dot, and the Taylor throat may be an excellent option for these factory barrels. One of the guys was going to try HS6, I believe it was wildwillalaska, but hasnt gotten back..... I too believe that could be a problem. With the lighter bullet weights, H110 is known for this problem. It's not even listed for bullets less than 100 grains, which also raises concerns. In the Handloaders article it was noted that magnum primers weren't working well, which could also be a problem for igniting the slow burners. I have on my list to try 2400, Blue Dot, HS6, Longshot and maybe a few more. 2400 is looking good as it has a history of working best with standard primers. If spitting becomes a problem in mine with H110/296, but proves a good performer, I will send the guns to Gary Reeder for his Maxithroat. Its a variation of the Taylor throat. Jim Taylor still hangs out on the Reeder Forum, while in Africa doing great work there. |
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Post by callshot on Feb 23, 2015 10:51:20 GMT -5
Fermin, I was getting the blow back with H-110. Don't notice it with the Longshot. Steve. Aka can't shoot!
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Post by sixshot on Feb 23, 2015 12:50:50 GMT -5
My 327 is the Blackhawk not the Single Seven but Longshot & now 2400 is working fine with the 113 gr. Miha HP. Rock Chucks are just starting to show up, time to start having some fun with these little red lip stick beauties. Callshots are going so slow I fear shooting into the wind might cause a bump on his forehead!
Dick
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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 23, 2015 13:29:41 GMT -5
I was looking at this, and got the impression alot of you guys missed the "actual" update post which is the last post on page 4 of this thread. The first post on page 5 was an afterthought. Thanks for your responses tho.
I spoke to Harton about Taylor throating the Single Seven and his thinking was that it certainly couldnt hurt anything and would definitely reduce chamber pressure. So, one more thing on my list.
Now that I am seeing the accuracy I expect, I will run the current crop of loads with H110 over the chrono. The question then will become can I get those speeds and accuracy with a "faster" powder. Time will tell.
Dick, what is your 2400 powder charge and velocity look like? I was running 9.5 2400 on the 118 LBT GC 32 bullet in my 32 mag. I would think 10.5 of 2400 would work about the same in the 327 case but you tell me plz!
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Post by magnumwheelman on Feb 23, 2015 15:00:47 GMT -5
not trying to sidetrack your thread too much... butt I've found big differences in acceptable published powder charges with W-231 between several of my manuals... I'm loading 32 H&R Magnum... for an Air Weight S&W J Frame ( aluminum frame, steel 6 shot cylinder ) & am using 85 grain XTP's... my starting loads are 3.6 grains as falls from a #4 arbor in my lil dandy powder measure... even though I don't have "a lot" of 231 I figure it's faster than a lot of the published options, & should perform better in the snubbie length barrel... the #8 edition Hornady manual goes several grains hotter than that with 231, than a couple of my other manuals ( Hogdon for example, which 3.6 is towards the top load ) any reason why there should be such a difference in maximum charges??? I'm hoping the 3.6 grains gets me what I'm looking for... as I don't have a #5 arbor... yet  anyone else load for the 32 Air Weight Snub??? care to share your favorite load??? ... & as long as I'm imposing... I have a custom strengthened open top single action, in 32-20, that has a .308 barrel... anyone shooting something similar ( a 30-32) I bought it that way, I assume the builder built it with a .308 barrel, as there was better bullet selection back then... I've never loaded for it yet, as I got several handloads specifically loaded for that gun... I question will my new 32-20 dies even crimp a .308 bullet??? I assume I need a smaller expander at the least, to keep the bullets from dropping through, even before I get to my crimp question... was thinking of using those short jacketed 100 grain plinker bullets that I used in my 30 Carbine Blackhawk... was also thinking about changing out the barrel for a 32 caliber bore... thoughts??? |
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Post by ethang on Feb 23, 2015 16:06:16 GMT -5
I have not put very many full power loads through mine yet at all. 50 rounds of Factory Federal 100's and about 20 rounds of reloaded 32 mag with W296/10.5 grains. I was getting a little bit of spit back with both loads, none with my normal 32 magnum loads. When the weather breaks I will be spending more time with it. I have Power Pistol, 2400 and the 296 to play with.
Thank you for the updates. Your Bisley treatment is calling my name.
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Post by sixshot on Feb 23, 2015 17:58:19 GMT -5
Fermin, 10.5 grs. of 2400 & 11 grs of 2400 shot very well in my 327 with the 113 gr. GC HP, I've only shot a cylinder full (8) of each so far. No time for a few days as we go to court tomorrow, will be tied up all week.
Dick
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Post by dougader on Feb 24, 2015 10:15:36 GMT -5
not trying to sidetrack your thread too much... butt I've found big differences in acceptable published powder charges with W-231 between several of my manuals... I'm loading 32 H&R Magnum... for an Air Weight S&W J Frame ( aluminum frame, steel 6 shot cylinder ) & am using 85 grain XTP's... my starting loads are 3.6 grains as falls from a #4 arbor in my lil dandy powder measure... even though I don't have "a lot" of 231 I figure it's faster than a lot of the published options, & should perform better in the snubbie length barrel... the #8 edition Hornady manual goes several grains hotter than that with 231, than a couple of my other manuals ( Hogdon for example, which 3.6 is towards the top load ) any reason why there should be such a difference in maximum charges??? I'm hoping the 3.6 grains gets me what I'm looking for... as I don't have a #5 arbor... yet anyone else load for the 32 Air Weight Snub??? care to share your favorite load??? ... & as long as I'm imposing... I have a custom strengthened open top single action, in 32-20, that has a .308 barrel... anyone shooting something similar ( a 30-32) I bought it that way, I assume the builder built it with a .308 barrel, as there was better bullet selection back then... I've never loaded for it yet, as I got several handloads specifically loaded for that gun... I question will my new 32-20 dies even crimp a .308 bullet??? I assume I need a smaller expander at the least, to keep the bullets from dropping through, even before I get to my crimp question... was thinking of using those short jacketed 100 grain plinker bullets that I used in my 30 Carbine Blackhawk... was also thinking about changing out the barrel for a 32 caliber bore... thoughts??? I have a 431 PD in 32 HRM. I usually just load a Meister 94 grain rnfp with 3.5 grains W231. But carry the 100 gr xtp with Pearce's load for 32 mag of 11.8 grains W296 (my load is actually 11.6 grains). I've only ever fired 6 of these in the light gun and the recoil is not bad. While the cylinder is stainless and the cases fall from the cylinder, the frame probably will not take many of these. If I can find my notes I can tell you the correct fps, but IIRC it's about 1167 fps. |
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Post by dougader on Feb 25, 2015 9:56:43 GMT -5
Also, I know a guy down the road here who has a 431 or 432 that has had the cylinder reamed to 327 FM. He said Bowen did the work for him but also said Bowen told him he probably wouldn't do another one. This fella has fired only a couple cylinders full of 327 FM in his gun but he too is concerned about the strength of the frame.
I won't ever run mine at 45k psi like the 327, but only about equal to the current 36k psi limit for 9mm and 357 mag. IIRC, these are the limit on the Pearce loads in Handloader mag. Even so, my 431 won't get anymore high level loads unless I have to protect life or limb. It shoots the above mentioned Meister bullet really well with 2.5 - 3.5 grains W231.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Feb 25, 2015 10:08:52 GMT -5
with all this crazy weather we've been getting lately, it'll be a while before I get to test my loads... I've also been looking at the 100 grain XTP's to try... though I'm not sure if that data is in any of my current manuals...I'm sure neither will expand much, but should penetrate OK... I also may have to buy a #5 Arbor for that Lil Dandy & try a heavier charge with the 85 grainers if they aren't where I hope they'll be... I could go up to my regular adjustable RCBS powder measure... but I do like that Lil Dandy for 32 H&R & smaller cases...
not sure I'd want to run the 327 with the aluminum framed compact revolver ( I'm even a "little" concerned about too hot a 32 H&R load )
appreciate the replies...
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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 25, 2015 10:22:34 GMT -5
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Post by Fowler on Feb 25, 2015 18:14:59 GMT -5
Ok, I managed to get out and get some more shooting done with the Single Seven. Here is a bit more heavy bullet load data. Please remember to work up!!! The 32 Sixgun Sledgehammer has a .400" nose. This is too long for the Single Seven when seated in the crimp groove. Loaded in 32 mag cases works, but really limits the case capacity. The Single Seven will tolerate an overall loaded length of just over 1.5" and that is close enough to call max OAL for me. Thus, taking a page out of Hoovers and Bradshaws books I "deep" seated them to 1.5" in 327 cases. Powder charge was 11.6 H110 and a CCI 550 primer was used. Again, work up as your sixgun may be set up different from mine. This is the stoutest load I have tried in the Single Seven. The little seven shooter is indeed strong. When it goes off, you know you sent a very powerful 32 load downrange. Recoil is much more pronounced yet still mild enough to shoot all day. I have purposely cast my Sledgehammers at about 10 BHN (very soft) to see if any leading issues pop up but my barrel has remained slick and clean through many rounds. Bless them gas checks and thier tidy ways!! My Single Seven has so far been modified with a Harton trigger job, Bisley grip frame and trigger, aftermarket grips, and a Bowen Rough Country rear sight. As we all know, there are no available Bowen target sights to be found. While this Rough Country gives a nice sight picture, it is harder to sight in than the click version. I have not yet fixed my base pin. I didnt really have too much trouble with mine until I got into the Sledgehammer hollowpoints at 135 grains. I can see that I am going to have to call Kelye this morning! The Sledgehammer kicks that base pin out with every shot. That fact confounded me a bit and I lost count of my shots on my first target which was also my best target of the day. Nonetheless, I think it shows the strength of the Single Seven and the potential accuracy of the deep seated Sledgehammer bullet. I need to chrono this load and do some more sighting in. More to follow. Jeff Hoover, aka Jug, sent me some LBT plain base 120 grain 32 bullets some time back. These are the same as Fowler's 120 LBT bullet minus the gas check. Again, they are too long to seat in the Single Seven and use the crimp groove. Jeff told me he cast them pretty hard. He measures their hardness by tossing one in his pie hole and chewing on it. My teeth are mostly store bought and thus expensive and I think I would rather eat one of Callshots socks anyway so I whipped out my ole hardness tester and checked them the old fashioned way. Hmmm, 14 BHN. Talented teeth he has for sure. Since my machine was already set up to seat bullets at 1.5" OAL and since this deep seating thing was working so well for Jug and Bradshaw, I set my powder measure to drop 12.5 gr H110 and seated some of Jugs bullets in 327 cases nice and deep. Primer was the CCI 550. The results below were predictably decent. Just over 2" at 50 yards from a seated rested position. I might mention that this again is a compressed load, and I arrived at it by mad scientific scrutiny and you should be careful doing the same. I will chrono and report back later. That is as soon as the wind lays down enough not to be blowing over my chrono every shot. Makes me ask where is JT anyway?? I can hear him laughing all the way from Idaho here in S Texas. Targets blowing all over creation, (note these are STAPLED to the bench), base pin jumping every shot, chrono wont stay up.... Dang that man. Couple more notes, my apolgies to Mr Bradshaw for lumping him with Hoover. But, hey, even Sixshot has Callshot. Additionally, in a concession to the PETA types, (powdercoat every thing available), no painted bullets were harmed during these tests. I tried similar deep seating techniques with this bullet in my 32 mag Single Six after very promising starts with the Sledgehammer in the 32 mag and 32/20 in my Buckeye. The conditions can only be called challenging at best but a handgunner must be able to work under all conditions, or at least that is what I tell myself on these days.   The gongs were roughly 60 yards out and the paper was about 40, I shot but 2 groups on paper. The first was The Sledgehammer over a stiff charge of H110, the load had some authority and for just squatting and leaning over the cable for a rest I have to say I am hopeful it will follow suit in the future.  Tinkering with my brother 629, its a tough gun to shoot well but it is showing some promise with a mild Bradshaw load.  I didn't stay too long, shooting mostly the gongs, lots of fun but I really like this Sledgehammer bullet of Fermin's. I really want to know what it would do on a coyote from the 32/20 Buckeye... |
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Post by 2 Dogs on Feb 26, 2015 9:04:39 GMT -5
Good Shooting. That little Bisley Vaquero 32 looks familiar....?
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