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Post by kaytod on Jan 14, 2013 18:58:59 GMT -5
Here is the 180 grainer I'm shooting in the 357. It is a full cylinder in the Blackhawk and only seats .320 into the case. Original intent was to give the same OAL in 38 spl as the 357 so you could use the 357 data. Well If your cylinder is long enough. 1.71 min, you will get all the benefit provided the extra space for powder. Here are some pics of the loaded rounds. Chrono testing to come. However penetration testing started today. We have a butcher steer. Weight 1120lbs. shot between the eyes, look forward to recovering the bullet after this bullet destruction test. CCI small pistol man, with a load 19.0 of H-110 or the same load density of 110 as a typical deep seated 180. Primers on the fired cases look normal, seated and set like factory loads do. The long seated bullet in an appropriate cylinder should take the little 357 about halfway to the 357 Max. Here are some pics.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jan 14, 2013 19:13:34 GMT -5
Your test sixgun looks rough as a cob and prolly needs to be retired. Send it to me and so we can work on that retirement thing together....
Nice looking bullet and design. I like the way you did the nose so it wouldnt hang up in too tight cylinder throats. Let us know how it shoots. I suspect you can drive it about as fast as you can a 158. Thats what I predict anyway. I might also suggest since you have the additonal capacity to try Lil Gun as it is a shade slower.
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Post by kaytod on Jan 14, 2013 20:20:39 GMT -5
Thanks.
I always start with 110 as I've the most experience with it and it's character is predictable.
The nose design will give chambering in the leverguns too. Though I don't have a 357 in a Marlin, the little 32-20 had NO throat. So to keep from running into trouble the bore rider was selected. My boy has a little 356 GNR in a Pirate gun and it should be a good bullet for it too. I'll post velocities and groups from the 357 revolver and the 356 'tender when they're done.
BTW, That ole' sixgun is my wife's, of whom I wouldn't suggest makin mad as she's Cajun. Though the miles it's seen wasn't from us, may be a bit weathered on the outside, but the thing is pretty right internally.
Personally I'm lookin for a 357 in 5.5" Redhawk. They are pretty scarce but hope to make one mine in the future.
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Post by zeus on Jan 14, 2013 20:43:13 GMT -5
I had one of the redhawks. They are tanks for sure! Good looking bullet!
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Post by kaytod on Jan 14, 2013 21:48:57 GMT -5
Thank you Zeus.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jan 14, 2013 23:39:05 GMT -5
Todd, Give Alan Harton a call. I believe he has a 357 Redhawk he was looking to send down the road.
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Post by kaytod on Jan 23, 2013 19:38:56 GMT -5
Here is the before and after pic of the bullet. Went thru the skull, broke the neck joint and traveled 26" down the neck coming to rest at the end of the loin next to the spine. Found nose on, no tipping. Recovered weight 166 grains.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jan 23, 2013 20:48:48 GMT -5
I wonder where the gas check went....?
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Post by kaytod on Jan 23, 2013 21:44:23 GMT -5
The gas check was lying right behind the bullet about an inch. It had folded back on one spot like prying off an old pop top with an opener. I had it with me, but alas I've misplaced it ( lost it ) somewhere during the butchering process. Likely it will show up in a pants pocket somewhere.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jan 23, 2013 23:39:35 GMT -5
Im impressed. That bullet must be harder than a whores heart....
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 24, 2013 10:43:10 GMT -5
kaytod.... thanks for the autopsy. Traveling 26" and coming to rest point-on at end of loin? You mean front end of loin, as in backstrap? Fine performance for sure, after shattering skull/vertebra joint (I think that's what you mean), a perfect occasion to tip if a bullet's going to tip. David Bradshaw
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Post by AxeHandle on Jan 24, 2013 11:06:22 GMT -5
Anyone else seeing a good application for a trimmed maximum cylinder here? Maybe even bore the cylinder to 356GNR (41 necked to 357) along the way..
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Post by kaytod on Jan 24, 2013 11:47:32 GMT -5
kaytod.... thanks for the autopsy. Traveling 26" and coming to rest point-on at end of loin? You mean front end of loin, as in backstrap? Fine performance for sure, after shattering skull/vertebra joint (I think that's what you mean), a perfect occasion to tip if a bullet's going to tip. David Bradshaw Yes the shoulder end of the loin where the loin stops and the neck starts. ( dang near got into my ribeye/prime rib) And yes it broke the top vertebre at the base of the skull. The shot entered just left of center in the forehead of the butcher, about 1 1/2" to my left, it's right. I had waited until his head was down looking at me to get the line of departure and his neck somewhat on the same plane.
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Post by Seasons44 on Jan 24, 2013 11:56:47 GMT -5
Kaytod, Congrats..... have any pictures?,
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Post by kaytod on Jan 24, 2013 15:25:44 GMT -5
I don't have any pics of this butcher. I do have some of the last butcher we did. To make a long story short, we've butchered four this year for the family, having a working family farm. The first two bulls were about 6 months over our target butcher date. I'd hoped to have them down last spring but the early warm weather precluded us hanging them as temps were too high. Therefore, the two "Big" ones went down in November the last two (both two year olds) went down this Jan. First bull was shot with a 32 H&R with one of the 120 grainers at 1350 fps. No pics, I wasn't there to do the post mortem and recover the bullet Second bull, I'll have to remember what I shot it with but there are no pics, I wasn't there to do the post mortem and recover the bullet. Third bull, shot with a 32-20 and the 135 gn fngc at 2020. Bullet hit squarely centered in the forehead, broke the neck/skull vertrabre and traveled 6-7 inches into the neck. Recovered weight of 86 grains plus another piece that made the total 95 grains. Pics below Here is the pic of the .312-135 Here is a pic of where the .312-135 was found. another pic. Fourth shot with the 359-180 over 19.0 H-110( still have to chrono the load.)
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