akray
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Post by akray on Dec 25, 2012 17:48:55 GMT -5
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skook
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Post by skook on Dec 25, 2012 17:58:40 GMT -5
That's one of my all time favorite movies. I always thought he was simply trying to get the best/most reliable weapon he could find and the Hawken reputation was it. Besides he was a ".....fine figure of a man, yes?"
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dmize
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Post by dmize on Dec 25, 2012 19:06:47 GMT -5
In that time period The Hawken was the Barrett of the day,finely built rifles and the start of the percussion revolution.
I started with a Hawken but am currently building a .62 cal Lancaster flint gun.
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Post by nolongcolt on Dec 30, 2012 16:05:48 GMT -5
"he wanted a Hawken gun, .50 caliber or better, he settled for a .30, but damn it were genuine Hawken!"
Its unlikely the Hawkens ever built a .30 caliber mountain rifle. It would have been pea sized and useless in the mountains. A .30 cal round ball is really small and light. I love Hawken rifles, and some years ago had the privelege of handling an original Hawken mountain rifle. Quite a thrill! That movie got me to buy my first BP gun way back when, a TC Hawken in of course .50 caliber. Owned several since but currently only have a .54 Hawken (Green Mountain barrel) - a semi scratch kit from Golden Age Arms and a Browning Mtn rifle in .50 cal, both great shooters.
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Post by warhawk on Dec 30, 2012 19:04:19 GMT -5
That's one of my all time favorite movies. I always thought he was simply trying to get the best/most reliable weapon he could find and the Hawken reputation was it. Besides he was a ".... .fine figure of a man, yes?" ... That is all you need to know. |
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Post by the priest on Dec 30, 2012 20:25:59 GMT -5
A .30 cal roundball would most likely be under 45 grains. From a muzzleloader,....that is tiny. For comparison, a .22 lr is about 40 grains depending on the load.
That said, I believe there were .28 cal Kentucky style rifles made for squirrels.
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akray
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Post by akray on Dec 31, 2012 15:47:21 GMT -5
The only blackpowder rifle I've ever shot is a 50 or 54 caliber Thompson/Center flintlock. The guy who owns it bought it for deer hunting in Pennsylvania because they apparently don't allow percussion locks for hunting. I was a little surprised at the recoil when I fired it. It was a little faster than I thought it would be. It was nice looking though and seemed accurate enough.
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dmize
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Post by dmize on Dec 31, 2012 15:53:31 GMT -5
The only blackpowder rifle I've ever shot is a 50 or 54 caliber Thompson/Center flintlock. The guy who owns it bought it for deer hunting in Pennsylvania because they apparently don't allow percussion locks for hunting. I was a little surprised at the recoil when I fired it. It was a little faster than I thought it would be. It was nice looking though and seemed accurate enough. A well made and properly tuned cap or flint rifle has damn few peers in the modern inline world. However I do admit that I am talking about rather expensive custom rifles for the most part,and T/C production guns. Way too much "false advertising". |
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skook
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Post by skook on Jan 1, 2013 11:28:35 GMT -5
I sometimes wonder if something didn't get lost in translation while they were putting that movie together. In the developmental years, the bore size could be given as a caliber (diameter) or a gauge/bore ( number of round lead balls of the bore size that could be cast from a pound of lead.)
If we consider that possibly Mr. Johnson or one of his confederates wanted a rifle of 30 bore, than he would end of with a 53-54 "caliber" rifle (the 53's were a common Hawken variant) and his rifle would be tossing a ball of approximately 230 grains which is right about 30 balls cast from a single pound (7000 grains) of lead.
Just a thought : )
Russ
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robl
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These were the good ole days!
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Post by robl on Jan 1, 2013 11:39:21 GMT -5
Skook, I think you are headed in the right direction. HollyWierd screen writers couldn't even get Liver Eatin's name right: Johnston. Served as a Scout for the Union in the War between the states. Was drummed out because he was accused of killing Indians in battle that were also on the Union payroll...IIRC...not quite the PC happy ending...
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