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Post by avidreader on Jul 12, 2012 16:37:52 GMT -5
I have more 44 Special handguns than any one person is entitled to, but have run across a problem with the two that I had earmarked as my PPP, one is the Lipsey's Stainless Ruger 4 5/8, the frontsight is TOO short, the alternative was to call Ruger and have them send me a taller one, which is .480 made for the 45 Colt, knowing this will be labor intensive even if I can pull it off and make it look like a front sight, the other is a Freedom Arms 44 Special w/5 1/2 in barrel, the standard sight is .380 if I'm not mistaken, I have one being sent to me now that is .430, I have no idea if it will need filed down yet until I put it on and take a few shots. Saying all that to say this, what is the correct height for a sight blade in this caliber, I'm using 250 gr hard cast bullets and usually 700X or Red Dot to drive it around 800+ fps, I know sights vary according to barrel length, but both guns are putting the rounds about a ft. high w/the rear sight all the way down, I'm considering having a custom one made for the Ruger like the one JT has on his 41 Special, rounded front with a straight Partridge rear sight picture, but have no idea what height to ask for. Thanks for listening to me whine fellas, I,m under the impression that firearms should come from the factory sighted in properly. Wes
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Post by hammerdown77 on Jul 12, 2012 16:42:55 GMT -5
My first 5.5" barrel Ruger 44 had a front sight that was too short with 240-250 grain bullets unless I ran them at 950 fps or more. With a 250 grain Keith, 7.5 grains of Unique or 8.5-9.0 grains of Power Pistol would hit right on top of the front sight at 25 yds with the rear sight all the way down. With 200 grain bullets of course, the gun sighted in just fine with whatever load you wanted.
My Bisley 5.5" 44 Special has a much taller front sight. It looks like the tallest one. The rear sight on that gun is up in the air. I can measure that one when I get home, but it's probably the tall one for the 45 Colt.
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Post by Lee Martin on Jul 12, 2012 16:46:03 GMT -5
My stainless Talo 44 Special hits dead on with 6.0 of Green Dot under a 250 grain Keith. May want to give it a try. Otherwise, you probably do need a taller front sight. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by Fowler on Jul 12, 2012 17:39:16 GMT -5
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Post by avidreader on Jul 12, 2012 17:49:12 GMT -5
I'm about 12-15 inches high at 20 Yards, can't begin to calculate that in thousandth's. 250gr Keith, with 700X or Red Dot, I'll try Lee's suggestion of the Green Dot Load and see what happens, but I refuse to be restricted to bullet weights or powder charges, I want the flexibility I SHOULD have.
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Post by bobwright on Jul 12, 2012 21:35:41 GMT -5
I had my gunsmith, Keith Warner, cut off my front sight blade (on a Ruger Super Blackhawk) and mill a slot in the remaining ramp. This allows changing the blades pretty much at will by removing/replacing one screw.
Right Handy.
As to sights, not only your ammunition, but your eyes see sights differently. I had a friend once that had a Colt Python and I could never hit using his gun when it was sighted in for him. Nor could he hit with my guns.
Bob Wright
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Post by bushog on Jul 12, 2012 21:50:45 GMT -5
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Post by mohillbilly on Jul 12, 2012 21:57:48 GMT -5
I'm looking for a Lipsey 4 5/8 SS 44 spec . like yours , does yours shoot well?
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Post by avidreader on Jul 13, 2012 13:59:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback. Mohillbilly I got so frustrated with it I put it away until I could figure out the answer, so I'm really not sure if it shoots or not, sorry.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jul 13, 2012 14:13:44 GMT -5
I suggest you try the 429215 GC bullet. It weighs about 215 grains and should lower the POI quite a bit.
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Post by avidreader on Jul 13, 2012 16:52:37 GMT -5
I have a mold for the 45215 but time is against me, in fact I have several molds that I'd like to use, but again, there's that time thing. Also it irks me to have to adjust bullet weight to suite the sight regulation, that's what I like about adjustable sights, you SHOULD be able to shoot 200gr up through the 250 and higher weights without any more trouble than turning a screwdriver, I do very much like the bullet though [45215 GC]
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Post by texmike on Jul 15, 2012 13:46:04 GMT -5
Wes,
I have a Lipsey's .44 Special, blued with a 5 1/2" barrel. From the factory it shot 3' high and 1 1/2" left using 250gr Keith LSWC's and 15.0 gr of 2400. It was easily adjusted to hit point of aim. I now hold at the bottom of the 1" X ring at 20 yards. This is a very accurate six-gun.
My front sight measures .348 from the top of the blade to the top of the beveled base. It also measures .512 from the top of the sight to the top of the barrel, measured at the extreme end of the barrel. I made both measurements using the depth measuring section on my dial caliper.
The flange on my rear adjustable sights is still approximately flush with the top strap, so there is still elevation adjustment available.
In the instruction manual, the parts list shows the same base and front sight blade part numbers for all the calibers except the .30 carbine. The other two exceptions are the 10 1/2" .44 mag barrel and the 7 1/2" .45 Colt barrel. It looks like the your 4 5/8" barrel should have the same sight measurements as mine. Unfortunately, their are no specs published for their dimensions.
What are your sight/base measurements? Maybe the assembler at the factory grabbed the wrong part(s).
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Post by avidreader on Jul 15, 2012 17:39:49 GMT -5
Texmike I would have to punch out the pin to measure the blade, the guy at Ruger's parts plant told me it was .380 if I remember correctly, I have heard of other's having the same problem, I think the blued and stainless are a bit different, not positive, I got a .480 front sight from the 45 Colt models in stainless, so it's up to me to fix the problem, may send it to Andy Horvath and have him mill it flat across the top to about .425 or so, and if any other adj need to be made I should be able to file it down myself, Freedom Arms uses a .380 as listed for the 5 1/2, I called them and they are going to send me a .430 for $25, maybe I'll wait and see how much of an impact it makes be for I do anything on the Ruger, I have a blued Lipsey's 4 5/8th's and a Bisley 5 1/2 which I haven't shot yet, I need to MAKE time to shoot these also to see where they're at.
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Post by avidreader on Jul 15, 2012 18:09:34 GMT -5
Texmike Measurement from the top of the barrel to the top of the sight is approx .475 for the 4 5/8 in barrel.
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Post by bigmuddy on Jul 16, 2012 22:37:36 GMT -5
If you got the blade for the 7 1/2" 45 Colt, it is really easy to put that one in a stainless gun. I was able to do it with a Stainless Super Blackhawk and I am usually better at breaking things than I am at fixing them.
Yes you knock the pin out with a punch, put the new blade in and drill straight through the holes in the base. Replace pin...taller front sight. If you have to file it down or not depends on how it shoots, but I am betting if you are now a foot high at 20 yards you won't need any files.
Or..send it to someone else to replace the blade. Your call.
I have to use a tall blade on my FA Mod 97. I bought one from Dave Clements with the gold bars. I really like that one. It is thinner than the factory models.
Good Luck
Dan
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