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Post by wildwillalaska on May 5, 2012 20:08:10 GMT -5
Was talking to a local feller today at the gun shop and he mentioned having a couple Seville guns he wanted to part with, a 7.5" boxed but used 454 and a 5.5-6" Silver Seville in 45 unfired in the box. He said the stainless 454 has taken a couple dall sheep on three different hunts but is said to have less than a 200 rounds fired and in 98% shape.
Anyone have a shot in the dark as a fair offer on these two guns. I have never owned one of these--not in my typical collecting, but if I can get a good deal figure I could always use for trading fodder and may have to shoot that 45 some.
Thanks,
Will
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Post by agrizz on May 6, 2012 8:51:03 GMT -5
I will take a stab at this and corrections are welcomed.
These could be worth anywhere from $300 to $1000 each. It depends on the condition the parts that were used the gun numbers and where it was assembled. There are a wide range of items that enter into the value for these guns.
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Post by majorKAP on May 6, 2012 9:24:50 GMT -5
There are a wide range of variables that enter into the value, yes. Having taken a couple of Dall sheep isn't one of them.
Pics would sure help, if he'll allow it. Personally, I've never seen a so-marked Silver Seville in 45 caliber. But I would like to.
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Post by Lee Martin on May 6, 2012 15:55:59 GMT -5
The 454 should bring $1,000. Silver Sevilles in 45 typically go for $800+. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" |
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Post by wildwillalaska on May 6, 2012 16:19:19 GMT -5
I certainly understand the taking of sheep doesn't increase value--but carrying on a sheep hunt certainly can affect it so threw the info in there as I have been mountain hunts around here (goat and caribou) and will honestly say each gun I have taken shows at least some minor sign of it--so taking the 98% condition with a grain of salt.
I have to go back in to pick up a Linebaugh transfer this week and hopefully they will be waiting for me to check out and will post serial numbers and more specifics. I may just end up passing the info along since I am not likely interested in the 454. The polished grip-framed 45 colt thats said to be NIB sounds interesting, I just simply have no idea where to start on a fair offer if it even tickled my fancy.
Thank you for the input Lee.
Will
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Post by majorKAP on May 6, 2012 18:11:17 GMT -5
Yeah. What was meant was... that taking a couple of sheep ain't gonna harm it's worth none. That's the kind of thing the gun was intended to do. I shoulda added a smiley face. Here's an extra one.  Incidentally, I think Lee's rough estimates might be a tad low.  |
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Post by Lee Martin on May 6, 2012 19:35:53 GMT -5
They may be a tad low. That said I just paid $900 for a 454 Seville. The owner took it to multiple gun shows asking $1,000 and it didn't move. Also paid $800 for a NIB 41 Seville less than a year ago. Recent auctions I've seen tend to support those levels. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" |
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Post by Snyd on May 6, 2012 20:07:26 GMT -5
This is the first time I've seen mention of Dall Sheep being hunted with a wheelgun. I've been thinking about it for a couple years but those suckers are hard enough to get with a rifle. I may give it a try with the 45 Colt Bisley Hunter with a 2x scope but I think I need to get another one with my rifle first.
Did you get any hunt details?
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Post by wildwillalaska on May 6, 2012 20:51:26 GMT -5
I did not get any details, but certain can next time I run by. He's one of those Alaskan raised guys that taken multiples of darn near everything. I'm with you, a buddy was wanting to do a sheep hunt this year with his bow and I'm of the mind once I get one with a rifle, then I would consider the extra challenge. With my knees, this fat kid may only have a couple sheep hunts in him. My wife has drawn a Tok permit twice when she was a teenager and her dad was a guide including sheep for years, but I haven't had the chance for one yet.
On our last goat hunt my wife reported it was far nastier than any sheep hunt she had experienced. I think a sheep or goat, taken with anything, is an absolute accomplishment and trophy to be remembered. Perry I think I recall your hunt report--or at least one of them--you and bud went in part way on bikes, right?
Once I see these I'll post more and get a but more info on the sheep.
Will
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Post by majorKAP on May 6, 2012 20:57:16 GMT -5
Hey Lee,
I only said a tad low, with a wink, because I personally have paid too much for some of my own Sevilles. Then again, others have come to me Blackhawk cheap.
Here's my thinking....most folks at the typical gun show don't know what they're seeing when they do run across one. Because of that, they won't pay that kind of money, even for a couple of boxed, less common versions.
It's just happenstance when somebody with a little knowledge does run across one at a gun show. When I say people with a little knowledge, I mean people like those of us here, for instance...those of us that have read your articles and spend time on this site. There's darn little useful information available out there beyond what you've provided for us.
I displayed 20 or 30 different guns of this ilk on my table at a big show in Louisville a couple or three years ago. Thousands passed by. A handful of the curious stopped to have a look. Cubrock was the ONLY guy that happened by to visit who knew anything at all about them.
You, Lee, are pretty much the only active educator about the guns. Any Internet search that someone does while looking for info will lead them to you and your contact info. You most likely get first access to a lot of the interesting guns that are for sale, and just perhaps at a better price.
You've earned it.
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Post by cubrock on May 6, 2012 21:16:39 GMT -5
Hey Lee, I only said a tad low, with a wink, because I personally have paid too much for some of my own Sevilles. Then again, others have come to me Blackhawk cheap. Here's my thinking....most folks at the typical gun show don't know what they're seeing when they do run across one. Because of that, they won't pay that kind of money, even for a couple of boxed, less common versions. It's just happenstance when somebody with a little knowledge does run across one at a gun show. When I say people with a little knowledge, I mean people like those of us here, for instance...those of us that have read your articles and spend time on this site. There's darn little useful information available out there beyond what you've provided for us. I displayed 20 or 30 different guns of this ilk on my table at a big show in Louisville a couple or three years ago. Thousands passed by. A handful of the curious stopped to have a look. Cubrock was the ONLY guy that happened by to visit who knew anything at all about them. You, Lee, are pretty much the only active educator about the guns. Any Internet search that someone does while looking for info will lead them to you and your contact info. You most likely get first access to a lot of the interesting guns that are for sale, and just perhaps at a better price. You've earned it. Lots of good points here that mirror my experience. The two-digit Abilene I bought for $200 from a gun shop doesn't set the market price simply because the gun shop, and none of its customers, knew what it was. I have had similar experiences with TLAs. Take one to any of hundreds of gun shows in this country and walk it around for $1000 and you will be lucky to get anyone consider it more than a few seconds. Put it up for the handful of TLA enthusiasts out there and that same gun will bring 2 or 3 times that $1000, depending on the particulars. Same thing happens with Sevilles and their ilk, only with a smaller price tag. I agree with KAP - you've earned the first-pick, cherry deals you get due to all your work educating the world on United Sporting Arms, et al, guns. The rest of us often wind up paying more than that. |
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Post by Lee Martin on May 7, 2012 8:03:38 GMT -5
Many thanks for the kind words guys. Researching Sevilles, El Dorados, and Abilenes has been very rewarding. Hopefully it'll culminate in a book next year. The other thing I've enjoyed is meeting fellow collectors and enthusiasts. You two have some great examples and your Seville photos are welcome here. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" |
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Post by cubrock on May 7, 2012 8:55:36 GMT -5
Many thanks for the kind words guys. Researching Sevilles, El Dorados, and Abilenes has been very rewarding. Hopefully it'll culminate in a book next year. The other thing I've enjoyed is meeting fellow collectors and enthusiasts. You two have some great examples and your Seville photos are welcome here. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" A book would be awesome! Let me know if I can help in any way. I'm still floundering around with the TLA book, but if I can help with pictures or info, I'm your man. |
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Post by Lee Martin on May 7, 2012 9:01:40 GMT -5
Thanks. As it comes together this year I'll definitely need photos. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" |
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Post by wildwillalaska on May 8, 2012 21:25:40 GMT -5
Ok, saw both guns. Both are Tucson AZ guns.
The 45 colt is a 5.5" blued with polished stainless frame. Does not say Silver Seville, just Seville. It is NIB and serial number 6-00305.
The 454 is a "Hunter" finish stainless, 7.5", zebra grips, serial number 7-00307. It is more like 90%--honestly if I purchased it I would have it re-bead blasted as it looks like FA's field grade type finish.
Box on the 45 was woodgrain and said Sporting Arms, Inc. and more of a light tan color on the 454 and carried the label United Sporting Arms.
I'm not interested in the 454, but am curious as to estimated value. On the 45, I really liked the look of the stainless grip frame, but fear he is going to want too much. His brother is researching values for him, and affraid he's coming up in price--he may just list on auction.
Perry, he took two sheep in the Wrangles with the 454, one at about 100 yards and the other closer to 180yrds. He also took one grizzley.
Thanks guys and any input is appreciated.
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