SA Timing ?

[paulg]

Ok, I'm showing my ignorance here. I read Jeff Quinn's review that Boge posted about the Texican and I am curious about the statement that the gun was so perfectly timed that it did not leave a turn ring. Is that because of the parts used, hand fitting or a combination of the two? Also can this be achieved with any single action or is it only with high end revolvers? I personally have never seen a revolver, (single or double action) without a turn ring. In my ignorance I just assumed the turn ring was a common result from use.

[peacemaker]

Nov 29, 2011 21:38:53 GMT -5 paulg said:

In my ignorance I just assumed the turn ring was a common result from use.

You're not ignorant. Most turn lines are a result of MIS-use. A SA has to be WAY out of time to leave a turn ring on it's own during proper handling. It's no big feat to make a SA that doesn't drop the bolt ahead of the bolt stop lead groove.

ALWAYS fully cock the hammer from half cock before letting it down. Lowering the hammer directly from half cock, then rotating the cylinder to lock while the bolt is riding against its side is the number one way SAs get turn lines due to MIS-use.

That said, I see nothing mentioned about turn lines in the article or in the video. Are you sure you're reading it right, or am I somehow missing it?

[CraigC]

Hey, we're all ignorant of something. Fact is, most shooters believe that any revolver that gets used will automatically get the turn line. In many cases, this is simply not true. While this is certainly true for New Model Rugers and most double actions, and for differing reasons, a turn line on a traditional single action is usually the result of the improper handling 'peacemaker' noted. A properly timed traditional single action (old style half cock action), including Old Model Rugers, will raise the bolt into the leede as it is cocked. Most sixguns are timed correctly from the factory. Even most Italian replicas, particularly as of late. As long as it is timed correctly and handled properly, never lowering the hammer from the half-cock notch, the sixgun will never exhibit a turn line.

Here is an example of a sixgun that has seen much use, which resides in a holster as we speak for this afternoon's hunt, that does not have a turn line. The bolt rises into the leede as it should.

[don44]

I really like those grips!

[taffin]

While this is certainly true for New Model Rugers


A PROPERLY TUNED NEW MODEL WILL NOT HAVE A TURN RING

[Lee Martin]

John's right. This beater 38-40 has 25,000 rounds thru it...and no line.



-Lee
www.singleactions.com

[Lil Dudey]

Lee....WOW that's awesome.

[weagle99]

Even though this is the SA board, there is also no reason a Colt DA should have a turn ring. The cylinder can be 'pre-indexed' before closing, which eliminates the chance of a turn ring in a correctly timed Colt revolver.

Good to see you back JT.

[CraigC]

Nov 30, 2011 17:00:01 GMT -5 taffin said:

A PROPERLY TUNED NEW MODEL WILL NOT HAVE A TURN RING

Yet few `smith's go to the trouble of lengthening the pawl to correct it. I have three custom New Models that have been "properly tuned" and they all have a turn ring. Even if you go to the expense, you then have to make sure you close the gate with the bolt over the leede. Not worth the trouble.

[carl]

My New Model Ruger shooters are "homeboy" timed so no unsightly cylinder ring occurs during routine handling and firing. The group includes a couple of rimfires, three .32 mag. Single-Sixes and a half dozen or more centerfires with various barrel lengths.

It's the old case of "whatever floats your boat!"

JMHO,

Carl

[codep]

What Taffin has stated is correct. New model Rugers are acceptably timed for proper and safe functioning. For them to be PROPERLY timed requires custom internal work. Ruger could do it without much cost or trouble, just like proper cylinder throat dimentions in .45 cal. However, we keep buying the product so there is no incentive to improve it. They meet standards. Lengthen the cylinder stop pin in the hammer and a slightly longer pawl cures the problem.