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Post by huntershooter on Feb 3, 2011 11:23:29 GMT -5
That's Kirkpatricks leather. Thank you.
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Post by avidreader on Feb 3, 2011 15:48:30 GMT -5
HUNTERSHOOTER I kind of looked over their website and couldn't find a style that seemed the same, would you object to giving me the name of the style?
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Post by Hobie on Feb 3, 2011 16:35:42 GMT -5
Hobie I remember when you bought yours, what kind of loads are you using in it? I just bought one from a board member and haven't had a chance to get it out yet, COLD, SNOW. I like to go about 850 fps as a fun load, but for the sake of accuracy I would go hotter. Also HUNTERSHOOTER, who did your leather, I like it very much. I've pretty much stuck with the Skelton load, 7.5 gr. Unique under a Keith bullet. I've also shot the Buffalo Bore load. Both loads shoot well but the BB load is a heavier hitter. I finally got a Mernickle PS6 holster. It is pretty and it works. It carries high enough to conceal but is comfortable enough to wear out and about walking or riding in a vehicle. I have one for my USFA 4-3/4" SA as well.
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Post by jayhawker on Feb 3, 2011 19:59:42 GMT -5
The Kirkpatrick rig is their Wild Bunch rig.
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Post by avidreader on Feb 3, 2011 23:24:45 GMT -5
Thank You, I noticed the description say's each holster is available in revolvers, and as shown, semi-auto's
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Post by joej on Feb 5, 2011 13:26:52 GMT -5
You would think the 97, 45 colt would need a faster twist. I think you nailed it on the head. A 1:24 twist is a mite slow for 240 grains but upon attaining "light speed" it shoots pretty decent with enough recoil to keep you awake. The beartooth 325 with dual seating grooves does well above 1,100fps and you can push their 340 grain to 1,462fps with a compressed load if you're into self-abuse. I don't know the accuracy potential of the 1,462fps load, as I only fired 2 over the chronograph before I came to my senses. (I thought I must have held it wrong the 1st time to cause my trigger finger to feel like it was broke - the second shot made me realize it wasn't my grip, so I quit because I know pain is only weakness leaving the body but I had a lot of weakness that day ;D) The two rounds were about 2.5" from one another so there might be some potential there for someone?
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Post by paul105 on Feb 5, 2011 13:47:15 GMT -5
joej
If you are getting 1,462 fps with a 340gr bullet, you are way over Freedom Arms recommended pressure levels in the FA97. You are lucky you didn't ruin your gun before you quit using that load.
Paul
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Post by joej on Feb 5, 2011 16:58:57 GMT -5
joej If you are getting 1,462 fps with a 340gr bullet, you are way over Freedom Arms recommended pressure levels in the FA97. You are lucky you didn't ruin your gun before you quit using that load. Paul It was a handful and then some but showed no pressure signs. The cases dropped right out and the spent primer looked normal. When I reloaded the cases the primer pockets were still tight. I was using N-110 powder. It may be hard for you to believe but I actually "worked" up to that load and nothing showed any signs of excessive pressure on the way up. At a grain less the barrel torque was heavy but seemed normal but that one grain increase carried the barrel past my left shoulder in a nano-second and raised hell with my trigger finger. I have only experienced one other load that was more vicious and that came from a 500 Linebaugh Max with a 440 grain at 1,546 from a Seville. The 500 Max load did loosen the primer pocket a tad – still tight but noticeable from the other brass (cut down 50 Alaskan). That same load in a 454 using the lighter 325 grain beartooth HC gave me 1,462fps. 3 grains lighter in the 454 with the 340 grain ran at 1,364fps. I'm using cut-down 460 brass in the 454 with WLP primers. The 97 isn't very pleasant once you pass 1,250fps with 325 or 340 grains but this 97 needs to pass 1,100fps with those weights for nice groups.
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Post by paul105 on Feb 5, 2011 17:18:19 GMT -5
I have no doubt you did what you said. However, there is no way you could get 1,462 fps with a 340gr bullet in a FA97 with acceptable pressures. Call Freedom Arms and tell them what you did and your results and see what they have to say. My only concern is that someone else might try this and have quite different results. Quote from Bob Baker (Freedom Arms President) on Graybear Outdoors forum. Offline Bob Baker * Trade Count: (0) * Member * * * Posts: 80 * o www.freedomarms.comRe: FA 97 strength « Reply #17 on: December 13, 2006, 03:37:39 PM » The Model 97 was designed to be a general duty firearm which means it wasn't designed to be a horsepower gun like the Model 83. The loading data in the popular loading manuals for the Rugers and TC's will work fine in the M97 as long as only the 1.600 OAL loads are used. As always, start low and work up. Paul
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Post by groo on Feb 5, 2011 19:30:03 GMT -5
Groo here The longer the bullet the faster you need to spin it.. This can be done in two ways, increase the twist [ that means a new barrel] or drive it faster. The 454 was designed to shoot standard bullets [240-260gr] fast and put them in the same hole. Later the heavy cast bullet was used to slow the bullet down to where the lead was not stressed too much. If you want to shoot light loads you may need to reduce the bullet length [Weight] with the speed to keep the bulled stable. " Just like a WW2 fighter- they were not designed to idle"
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Post by Stump Buster on Feb 5, 2011 20:02:22 GMT -5
– sometimes I’ll get 5 fliers in a 5-shot group. Me too!!!
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Post by doghawg on Feb 5, 2011 23:47:48 GMT -5
Brian Pearce did an article on revolver pressures in "Handloader" magazine but I can't remember which issue it was in. One point he made was that things like sticky extraction and flattened primers are NOT reliable indicators of excessive pressure. I imagine that would be even more true with the well polished minimum spec chambers of an FA.
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Post by edk on Feb 6, 2011 9:41:45 GMT -5
Brian Pearce did an article on revolver pressures ... One point he made was that things like sticky extraction and flattened primers are NOT reliable indicators of excessive pressure. Made me think of my Lyman manual which after stressing safe load development is only possible in a lab environment with Piezo/copper crusher equip then sometimes states "although these loads were not pressure tested, they were perfectly safe in our test firearm".
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Post by doghawg on Feb 6, 2011 16:25:09 GMT -5
Brian Pearce did an article on revolver pressures in "Handloader" magazine but I can't remember which issue it was in. One point he made was that things like sticky extraction and flattened primers are NOT reliable indicators of excessive pressure. I imagine that would be even more true with the well polished minimum spec chambers of an FA. I didn't word that post very well....His point was that by the time these signs appeared the pressure could already be well beyond safe.
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Post by Hobie on Feb 7, 2011 8:47:54 GMT -5
That is absolutely correct. How unfortunate that one can't convince those who've been convinced by many magazine articles on "pressure signs" that this isn't true. They all seem to think that they know better than the manuals published data...
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