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Post by x101airborne on Apr 18, 2024 13:14:48 GMT -5
Some time ago I told yall how I love my new Uberti Bad Boy 44 Mag. Well, I am starting to have problems. Firstly, I cannot find a load factory or handload that shoots well in this weapon. 4 to 5 inch groups at 30 yards. I have tried loads from "rocks and dynamite" to powder puff loads. Bullets from 180 grains to 310. Nothing groups well.
Second, accuracy is not good enough for my wishes. Which puzzles me; every measurement on this weapon is spot on (or seems to be). Throats are .431 best I can measure. Barrel slugs .430. No tight spots, but the forcing cone is DEEP. Think "Taylor Throated" or "Weatherby throat". The rifling is crisp and sharp though. The crown seems smooth and even. The barrel is "over cocked" which makes it shoot slightly to the right but with adjustable sights that can be overlooked.
Third, a recent development, it has started to misfire. This being a three notch cocking system (which I know absolutely nothing about) I was told there was a piece of metal that backs the firing pin when the trigger is pulled making it safe to carry 6 rounds. Well it aint working. The misfire does not follow one particular chamber. Might misfire at any time.
The importer here in Texas told me to send it in but dang I hate doing that. I am sure they wont replace the firearm with another proper one, they will just fix the misfire since it does "function" as a useable firearm. I have been shooting every load I can find or make. Standing, sitting, Creedmoor, supported, unsupported, everything but closing my eyes. Even had my wife load the cylinder with empty and loaded cases and spin the cylinder to see if I was flinching.
The grip fits me better than the stock new Ruger grip and I love the weapon but if it doesn't shoot well what are my choices?
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 18, 2024 16:56:38 GMT -5
Some time ago I told yall how I love my new Uberti Bad Boy 44 Mag. Well, I am starting to have problems. Firstly, I cannot find a load factory or handload that shoots well in this weapon. 4 to 5 inch groups at 30 yards. I have tried loads from "rocks and dynamite" to powder puff loads. Bullets from 180 grains to 310. Nothing groups well. Second, accuracy is not good enough for my wishes. Which puzzles me; every measurement on this weapon is spot on (or seems to be). Throats are .431 best I can measure. Barrel slugs .430. No tight spots, but the forcing cone is DEEP. Think "Taylor Throated" or "Weatherby throat". The rifling is crisp and sharp though. The crown seems smooth and even. The barrel is "over cocked" which makes it shoot slightly to the right but with adjustable sights that can be overlooked. Third, a recent development, it has started to misfire. This being a three notch cocking system (which I know absolutely nothing about) I was told there was a piece of metal that backs the firing pin when the trigger is pulled making it safe to carry 6 rounds. Well it aint working. The misfire does not follow one particular chamber. Might misfire at any time. The importer here in Texas told me to send it in but dang I hate doing that. I am sure they wont replace the firearm with another proper one, they will just fix the misfire since it does "function" as a useable firearm. I have been shooting every load I can find or make. Standing, sitting, Creedmoor, supported, unsupported, everything but closing my eyes. Even had my wife load the cylinder with empty and loaded cases and spin the cylinder to see if I was flinching. The grip fits me better than the stock new Ruger grip and I love the weapon but if it doesn't shoot well what are my choices? ***** Trey.... the short list of dimensions you illuminate condemns the forcing cone. As you know, I disdain a deep forcing cone. There are exceptions, demonstrable only in detail. Missing from your list: * bore & groove----uniformity. * forcing cone----alignment with bore; smooth or rough. * chamber-to-bore aligment----chamber axis vs bore axis: runout & longitudinal. Revolver accuracy is an orchestra of dimensions Within this concert, some dimensions are more important than others. The balance of a perfect bullet, thrown off balance before it seats in the rifling, cannot be saved by a perfect bore & groove. Of course, damaged bullet balance worsens in a wavy bore, or bore with loose groove diameter. Forcing cone diseaseEnough over-excited handloading accompanied the Magnum craze of the 1960’s into the 1980’s to provoke SPITTING (sideblast of propellant & bullet particles from cylinder/barrel gap) to get the attention of manufacturers. A expedient “cure" was introduced----the deep forcing cone. S&W, Sturm, Ruger, and other magnum makers adopted the remedy without accuracy analysis. The disease persist some forty years later, albeit with lapses back to sanity vis the traditional modest forcing cones. By dint of the competitive firing line, this shooter happened to be on the ground floor of articulating the problem. Still, despite the soaring growth of Handgun Silhouette, too many in manufacturing regarded long range revolver marksmanship as exotic. The proper cure is to consider the FORCING CONE as absolutely critical to accuracy, to show it utmost respect in the first place. (The same is true for LEADE in a centerfire rifle.) Providing bore & groove dimensions are sound, a bad forcing cone can be remedied by trimming BARREL FACE and SHOULDER enough to turn a concentric short cone the good barrel. In the prices trimming BARREL SHOULDER at achieve proper THREAD TIMING. My preference is for the barrel to hand tighten 10 to 12-degrees BTDC (Before Top Dead Center). Barrel/frame alignmentIf the barrel socket in the frame is crooked, the manufacturing remedy is to replace the frame. At the gunsmith level, surgery may or may not save it. A tenon crooked on the barrel will require shortening breech end of barrel up to an inch to cut a new tenon. David Bradshaw |
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Post by junebug on Apr 18, 2024 17:18:34 GMT -5
I would send it in with a itemized letter of all your concerns and at least give them a chance to fix or replace it. Maybe put in the letter if it cannot be fixed in a timely manor to just replace it. Every company produces a dud once in a while, so see how good there customer service is.
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Post by Encore64 on Apr 18, 2024 18:45:33 GMT -5
That's unfortunate. Mine is superbly accurate, so betting they'll make it right.
Have you tried coated bullets? I've got a Ruger SBH 454 that's never been accurate until I switched to coated cast. They cut groups from 3" to 1.5" or less.
I don't have a firm explanation. But, the results are consistent...
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Post by drycreek on Apr 18, 2024 18:47:49 GMT -5
I would send it in with a itemized letter of all your concerns and at least give them a chance to fix or replace it. Maybe put in the letter if it cannot be fixed in a timely manor to just replace it. Every company produces a dud once in a while, so see how good there customer service is. As I see it, it’s either this or a good gunsmith. I’m with you though, it doesn’t matter how good it looks, feels, or even if it was a bargain, if it won’t shoot better than me I don’t want it. Good luck whatever you decide. |
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Post by wheelnut on Apr 18, 2024 21:36:03 GMT -5
It has throats of .431 what diameter bullets are you feeding it? I have a BFR with .430 throats and .431 bullets shoot extremely well, some .430's are good and all .429's have been poor.
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 18, 2024 22:16:28 GMT -5
It has throats of .431 what diameter bullets are you feeding it? I have a BFR with .430 throats and .431 bullets shoot extremely well, some .430's are good and all .429's have been poor. ***** wheelnut.... many IHMSA silhouette matches and an assortment of championships have been settled by Smith &wesson Model 29’s and Ruger Super Blackhawks shooting the Sierra .4295 240 JHC and Hornady .430 240 JHP through chamber exit holes in the .432-inch zone. To be match accurate, a harmony must be struck between the revolver’s vital dimensions. If your BFR .44 Mag with .430” throats prints .431” bullets tight, but poorly with .429’s, first place I’d look is GROOVE DIAMETER. Then I’d name exact bullets which shoot straight, and iname bullets which shoot poorly. Accuracy, in order of importance1) Revolver. 2) Bullet. 3) Load. David Bradshaw |
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Post by wheelnut on Apr 19, 2024 1:51:39 GMT -5
It has throats of .431 what diameter bullets are you feeding it? I have a BFR with .430 throats and .431 bullets shoot extremely well, some .430's are good and all .429's have been poor. ***** wheelnut.... many IHMSA silhouette matches and an assortment of championships have been settled by Smith &wesson Model 29’s and Ruger Super Blackhawks shooting the Sierra .4295 240 JHC and Hornady .430 240 JHP through chamber exit holes in the .432-inch zone. To be match accurate, a harmony must be struck between the revolver’s vital dimensions. If your BFR .44 Mag with .430” throats prints .431” bullets tight, but poorly with .429’s, first place I’d look is GROOVE DIAMETER. Then I’d name exact bullets which shoot straight, and iname bullets which shoot poorly. Accuracy, in order of importance1) Revolver. 2) Bullet. 3) Load. David Bradshaw Very interesting... The Sierra .4295 240 JHC shot 1.3 - 1.6 inch groups at 25 yards, the 240gr Hornaday XTP tightened down to .6-.75 inch groups with .431 240 GR JSP Bullets from Roze Distribution shot the best at .4 - .6 inches. Regarding the Sierra's, these bullets have been excellent in my Super Blackhawk, Model 629 and new Anaconda so the lack of performance in the BFR was surprising. |
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Post by x101airborne on Apr 19, 2024 6:28:10 GMT -5
For bullets I have tried cast and coated from 200 grain RCBS to 310 grain WFN Accurate and about 10 different molds I own. I have tried them solid, cup point, full hollow point and penta point. I have sized them from .430 to .433. In jacketed I have tried Sierra 240 JHC, Hornady 200 Sporting Hollow point, Hornady 240 XTP, 240 XTP and every factory load I could get 12 or so of which amounted to around 9 different loadings including Federal 44A and some very old factory Federal Hydra-shocks. UMC yellow box 44 240 hollow point, Remington semi jacketed 240 JHP and others I cant recall till coffee kicks in. I do hope I have answered yall's questions.
One thing I want to make clear quickly is I am not bashing these guys at all. Their customer service was great and polite. They were eager to help me with a return even though I had to pay for the label (I dont mind). As someone stated earlier everyone makes a dud. Absolutely true and I am the KING! So far I have no complaints dealing with them.
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Post by stretchman25 on Apr 19, 2024 9:27:14 GMT -5
I have a Ruger SBH that had similar issues. After trying every possible load, I took it to John Powers and as I described how the revolver was performing, he walked to the other side of the shop and came back with a new firing pin. A few minutes later the firing pin was out of the revolver and his suspicions were confirmed. At some point the firing pin broke in half. For years the gun had produced light firing pin strikes on the primer, but I never had an issue with it misfiring, so I assumed all was well. With the new firing pin, it became one of my most accurate handguns.
With your gun now misfiring, I think that your accuracy problems may be associated with light firing pin strikes.
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Post by leadhound on Apr 19, 2024 9:32:32 GMT -5
At one time you could replace the hammer with one of the fixed style, not sure if the lockwork has changed too much to still facilitate this? Would make her a five shooter though.
Hope you get her figured out, wanting one in 10mm.
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Post by x101airborne on Apr 19, 2024 15:21:13 GMT -5
I will look into the firing pin issues. Thanks.
I am wanting one in 10mm also! First one I see is coming home.
I really think the barrel on this 44 is the issue. Cant prove it yet, but it is my main suspect.
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 19, 2024 16:33:44 GMT -5
I will look into the firing pin issues. Thanks. I am wanting one in 10mm also! First one I see is coming home. I really think the barrel on this 44 is the issue. Cant prove it yet, but it is my main suspect. ***** Trey.... yes, leads point to barrel & forcing cone. Note in your cover letter the ammo----factory & handload----you’ve piped down the barrel. Sounds like Uberti added a new definition to “floating firing pin.” Firing pin slides in hammer. A pull of the trigger lifts pushrod in hammer.... pushing firing pin forward.... David Bradshaw |
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 19, 2024 16:55:47 GMT -5
***** wheelnut.... many IHMSA silhouette matches and an assortment of championships have been settled by Smith &wesson Model 29’s and Ruger Super Blackhawks shooting the Sierra .4295 240 JHC and Hornady .430 240 JHP through chamber exit holes in the .432-inch zone. To be match accurate, a harmony must be struck between the revolver’s vital dimensions. If your BFR .44 Mag with .430” throats prints .431” bullets tight, but poorly with .429’s, first place I’d look is GROOVE DIAMETER. Then I’d name exact bullets which shoot straight, and iname bullets which shoot poorly. Accuracy, in order of importance1) Revolver. 2) Bullet. 3) Load. David Bradshaw Very interesting... The Sierra .4295 240 JHC shot 1.3 - 1.6 inch groups at 25 yards, the 240gr Hornaday XTP tightened down to .6-.75 inch groups with .431 240 GR JSP Bullets from Roze Distribution shot the best at .4 - .6 inches. Regarding the Sierra's, these bullets have been excellent in my Super Blackhawk, Model 629 and new Anaconda so the lack of performance in the BFR was surprising. ***** wheelnut... probably no revolver bullet proved itself more accurate through top flight competition than the Sierra .4295 240 Jacketed Hollow Cavity (JHC) in mowing down steel. From local matches, to state, to regional, to international, the Sierra 240 JHC wrote sharpshooting through the barrels of Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Dan Wesson, Seville, and Freedom Arms. Trophies earned through the pony express broach and button rifled barrels. Good as the Sierra is, it can’t podium through a dimensionally inferior barrel. At the same time, the accuracy of a brilliant barrel is doomed when the person in charge of the forcing cone doesn’t understand the technique. David Bradshaw |
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