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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 29, 2024 16:35:10 GMT -5
There's kill and there's stop. Not the same thing. There's even an elephant on record as having died from a 25acp wound. Over two weeks later. If said Cape Buffs would have charged him and the PH missed, Mr. Dobb's stunt would have led to his learning first hand why the Cape Buffalo is known as "Black Death". Even my 475NE will not stop a buff in a head on charge without a CNS shot. Been there, done that. Wouldn't be here to write about it if my mentor had missed. I totally agree with you. Most often than no a brain shot will both stop and kill an animal quickly. What we don't know is wonder if Razor Dobbs 10mm with a very hard bullet such as he used would have killed that buffalo with a brains shot??
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Post by bigbore5 on Jan 29, 2024 16:38:01 GMT -5
As long as the bullet enters under the boss, a 10mm probably could. But probably will probably get a man dead sooner or later.
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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 29, 2024 16:51:49 GMT -5
As long as the bullet enters under the boss, a 10mm probably could. But probably will probably get a man dead sooner or later. Same as skydiving huh? LOL
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Post by dmize on Jan 29, 2024 17:53:41 GMT -5
Isn't this scenario the reasoning behind the big SSK TC bullet that JD and Larry Kelley put to pretty impressive use in a 44 Magnum?
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Post by bigbore5 on Jan 29, 2024 19:54:11 GMT -5
Isn't this scenario the reasoning behind the big SSK TC bullet that JD and Larry Kelley put to pretty impressive use in a 44 Magnum? JDJ made 4 designs for revolvers that feature a truncated cone shape with heavy for caliber weight. They featured a decent 60% meplat width and a shorter shoulder angle. They were built by NEI in 357,41,44, and 45. This design has proven accurate enough at high handgun velocity for their weight to 100yds. It's entire design philosophy was centered on maximum straight line penetration, which they do better than any other cast bullets I have put on game. However Veral Smith's LBT LFN-style bullet is more accurate for me in the 50-100yd range and will penetrate almost as far in the body, but the SSK is superior against shoulder and heavy skull. I've thought about about having a mold for the 500 made using the SSK model, but there's nothing in America that requires more penetration than I get with the MP 510-525. I'll post some pics of the SSK bullets next time I am in my shop
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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 29, 2024 20:14:38 GMT -5
bigbore that MP 510-525 bullet you mentioned may have been designed by our own member booletdesigner. I'll ask him.
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Post by bigbore5 on Jan 29, 2024 20:26:34 GMT -5
I believe it was. It resembles the other 640 designs in a big way. I haven't gotten it into anything big yet, but the large hp is impressive on deer.
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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 29, 2024 20:34:04 GMT -5
I believe it was. It resembles the other 640 designs in a big way. I haven't gotten it into anything big yet, but the large hp is impressive on deer. I have some of his 45 and 41 designed moulds and the opening of the hollow points are so large that I've dubbed them "flying ashtrays" after Speer Gold Dot Hollow Point 45 acp.
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Post by bigbore5 on Jan 30, 2024 4:05:54 GMT -5
JDJ took the frontal brain shot on an elephant from 18yds. He used the 416JRS. I used to have the article somewhere.
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Post by 45MAN on Jan 30, 2024 8:02:30 GMT -5
TIME TO BE REALISTIC: CAST BULLETS ARE GREAT AND I SHOOT A HELL'uva LOT OF 'em BUT THEY SUFFER FROM BULLET INTEGRITY ISSUES WHEN ENCOUNTERING HEAVY BONE AND, IMHO, ARE NOT FOR ELEPHANT BRAIN SHOTS.
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Post by bigbore5 on Jan 30, 2024 9:20:22 GMT -5
I very much agree with that. The Punch bullet is very missed when it comes to truly big game.
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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 30, 2024 11:07:02 GMT -5
TIME TO BE REALISTIC: CAST BULLETS ARE GREAT AND I SHOOT A HELL'uva LOT OF 'em BUT THEY SUFFER FROM BULLET INTEGRITY ISSUES WHEN ENCOUNTERING HEAVY BONE AND, IMHO, ARE NOT FOR ELEPHANT BRAIN SHOTS.
Enlighten me on the Elephant skull. Isn't that area they shoot for the brain kind of, for lack of a proper word, spongy bone, in other words not quite like regular solid bone? I'm not implying that its soft. Straigthen me out on this.
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Post by messybear on Jan 30, 2024 11:33:12 GMT -5
I too would be careful with cast on that situation. Remember Ross Seyfried. He cut down was it trophy bonded 475’s because he would wreck cast in testing? Maybe if a guy could use the low antimony/ copper heat treated alloy thing it would be good for side shot or heart lung? Having seen cast get wrecked just at revolver velocity, I would be very diligent as to testing
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Post by messybear on Jan 30, 2024 11:37:23 GMT -5
I would be confident in the Belt Mountain Punch at about any reasonable velocity. I have tested them on front shoulder of bison at muzzle velocity and hardly scratched one. 1200 fps impact and complete penetration and out other side in dirt
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Post by revolvercranker on Jan 30, 2024 11:54:35 GMT -5
Don't forget before the advent of jacketed bullets and smokeless powder that EVERYTHING was done with lead and black powder, and you all know what was before firearms!
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