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Post by cddogfan1 on Nov 21, 2023 11:53:17 GMT -5
So it seems that the 45 ACP and Auto Rim are really accepted as six-gun cartridges with several here even having custom for such. But I have not seen many comment about the virtues or having a 9mm six-gun. I have a 357 /9mm Flat top Blackhawk. After owning it a while and with current ammo prices and availability don't see much advantage of the 9mm in a six-gun over the 38 special. Really been considering having the 9mm cylinder rechambered to a 356 GNR. Any real compelling reason not to do so and keep the 9mm cylinder.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 12:13:40 GMT -5
The 9mm convertible blackhawks are fun shooting.
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Post by tj3006 on Nov 21, 2023 13:02:56 GMT -5
Except for competition using full moon clips. I see no use for 9mm 6 gun either.
But before I used the 9mm Cylinder for conversion I would look into the cost of having a 3rd Cylinder built.
That would make for an extremely useful revolver.
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Post by bamagreg on Nov 21, 2023 13:26:30 GMT -5
So it seems that the 45 ACP and Auto Rim are really accepted as six-gun cartridges with several here even having custom for such. But I have not seen many comment about the virtues or having a 9mm six-gun. I have a 357 /9mm Flat top Blackhawk. After owning it a while and with current ammo prices and availability don't see much advantage of the 9mm in a six-gun over the 38 special. Really been considering having the 9mm cylinder rechambered to a 356 GNR. Any real compelling reason not to do so and keep the 9mm cylinder. I think the only advantage of a 9mm cylinder was back when you could buy 9mm ammo for $8.00 per box instead of $25 per box for 38. Same for the 45 Colt/ACP. If you handload there is no compelling reason to have one. |
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Post by contender on Nov 21, 2023 13:43:14 GMT -5
As noted, it allows options. If you have access to inexpensive ammo and don’t reload, .9mm is good. Especially if you price .38 spl now.
.9mm is the most common handgun caliber across the world in general. I would keep the cylinder in it and have a custom built.
Besides, we are all just temporary custodians of our guns and the next caretaker may desire the.9mm over a custom caliber.
If you are using a Ruger Blackhawk, then you can find a spare cylinder and have it rechambered.
In DA revolvers, the.9mm is used for a back up gun, a compact SD gun, and as noted in competition.
Handloading allows you plenty of options but there is always the possibility of not having the components you need to hand load.
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Post by bradshaw on Nov 21, 2023 14:27:56 GMT -5
So it seems that the 45 ACP and Auto Rim are really accepted as six-gun cartridges with several here even having custom for such. But I have not seen many comment about the virtues or having a 9mm six-gun. I have a 357 /9mm Flat top Blackhawk. After owning it a while and with current ammo prices and availability don't see much advantage of the 9mm in a six-gun over the 38 special. Really been considering having the 9mm cylinder rechambered to a 356 GNR. Any real compelling reason not to do so and keep the 9mm cylinder. ***** 9mm Luger specifications were all over the place when America got interested. Ammunition and gun manufacturers had a candy jar of dimensions to sort out. An ammo maker might hold a tight spec package, and the pistol maker hold tight specs, also. Yet the two may be operating off different drawings. Into this can of goobers throw submachine guns and the Luger’s tapered case. To spice it up, add translations of metric-to-inch lingo. While I have long felt the 9mm Luger made its reputation in machine guns, and the .45 Automatic Colt Pistol made its reputation in gunfights, the twilight of the 20th Century saw the anemic power of 9mm Luger ball supplanted by much harder-hitting hollow points. Groove diameter is the other deficit, making the .355-inch 9mm loose in a .357 revolver. For a perfect Convertible, I would put a .355 groove diameter on the sixgun, with .3575 chamber exits. The forcing cone would be concentric to the bore, dead smooth, and short. Possibly a short freebore. The object: accuracy with .38 Special, .357 Mag, and 9mm Luger. David Bradshaw |
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Post by gnappi on Nov 21, 2023 14:44:51 GMT -5
For those who do not reload the ubiquitous 9mm is useful to consider for sure.
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Post by junkbug on Nov 21, 2023 21:07:35 GMT -5
There are 2 Ruger Speed sixes in 9mm on gunbroker. They are not inexpensive
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Post by oldcat on Nov 21, 2023 21:48:06 GMT -5
So it seems that the 45 ACP and Auto Rim are really accepted as six-gun cartridges with several here even having custom for such. But I have not seen many comment about the virtues or having a 9mm six-gun. I have a 357 /9mm Flat top Blackhawk. After owning it a while and with current ammo prices and availability don't see much advantage of the 9mm in a six-gun over the 38 special. Really been considering having the 9mm cylinder rechambered to a 356 GNR. Any real compelling reason not to do so and keep the 9mm cylinder. I think the only advantage of a 9mm cylinder was back when you could buy 9mm ammo for $8.00 per box instead of $25 per box for 38. Same for the 45 Colt/ACP. If you handload there is no compelling reason to have one. Blasphemer  |
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Post by Encore64 on Nov 22, 2023 6:42:20 GMT -5
While I don't think highly of the 9mm in a revolver, it is one I've always wished Ruger would build in a Single Six...
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Post by Fowler on Nov 22, 2023 7:15:07 GMT -5
While I don't think highly of the 9mm in a revolver, it is one I've always wished Ruger would build in a Single Six... Or better yet 38 Super. But if they go there might as well go 38sp, I know they have thought seriously about the S6 in 38sp (or would it be a S5?) but they have been distracted by other stuff over the last decade and have really egnored the single action market entirely. Time will tell |
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Post by x101airborne on Nov 22, 2023 7:45:26 GMT -5
I have two Blackhawks that are 9mm convertible. Neither of them shoot all that great with the 9mm cylinders in place. I think it is because of a .355 bullet trying to go down a .357 or better barrel. Never gave them a lot of thought past range use.
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Post by Encore64 on Nov 22, 2023 9:12:45 GMT -5
I'd hoped for a 9mm Single Six (Five) for several reasons.
1) It's the most popular of this class of cartridges.
2) Loading Gate wouldn't need much if any modification.
3) Could be fitted with correct .355" Barrel.
Of course, I'd much prefer a 38 Special too. These can be made, but would require much more work.
The rim of the 38 Special requires the loading gate to be opened a lot. This gets into the channel cut for the transfer bar.
Clements welded a piece of steel in this hole and reshaped it on his conversions.
I highly doubt either ever happens. But, I have a Clements 38 Special that'll easily hold the 35K PSI 38-44 Loads and a Uberti P Jr 38 Special with adjustable sights. Those will probably have to do me...
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Post by bradshaw on Nov 23, 2023 9:32:49 GMT -5
Huey hits on viability o rimlessf 9mm Luger in a Single-Six. Forget loading gate clearance problems posed by the rim of a .38 Special/.357 Mag. Beauty of a single action with a rimless case rests on the single-chamber extractor. Viability prove through success of .45 ACP in the Blackhawk. This shooter much prefers the straight case of .45 ACP vs tapered 9mm case, even as both headspace on case mouth. Neanderthal simplicity of the Colt-concept single action lends itself to explorations remote to a double action.
A dedicated 9mm Luger revolver should have a .355-inch groove.
David Bradshaw
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Post by bula on Nov 23, 2023 9:40:00 GMT -5
After firing the 9mm as tapered, are they now considered to be "fire formed", and going forward resized with something that'll leave them compatible with .357" bullets ? Only then good for the revolver/cylinder.
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