tj3006
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Post by tj3006 on Oct 25, 2023 19:55:10 GMT -5
Since it is getting colder out, and I am wearing a jacket. I pulled out my Walter PDP and the excellent holster Rob made for me. Just to see how hard it is to conceal. And it is not hard at all. With the black leather it would be very hard to see at night even if my jacket rides up a little. I pulled the clip jacked the round out of the chamber, and practiced drawing and aiming in my basement. It has a Holosun red dot. And is a very deadly piece of hardware. When i was done, I put the mag back in and jacked a round in the chamber using the front cocking serrations. Be careful where your palm is when you do this, this gun locks with the barrel hood not with notches in the hood like a 1911. The hood fits into ejection port. fits pretty tightly too. believe me. And the springs are not wimpy at all. Nothing a band aid and some mild foul language won't fix. ...tj
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gnappi
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Post by gnappi on Oct 26, 2023 9:01:38 GMT -5
On some of my 1911's I can use the FCS from the bottom then there's no issue. OTOH, If the recoil spring is too strong I use the rear serrations. An issue with them is if for any reason the firing pin sticks out and stays out having a hand over the ejection port while loading is a bad idea. It's only happened once to me in many years, but that was enough to make FCS an attractive but unused feature for me.
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markwell
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Post by markwell on Oct 26, 2023 9:23:28 GMT -5
Never cared for FCSs; think they detract from the lines of the gun.
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Post by contender on Oct 26, 2023 10:33:17 GMT -5
As a USPSA shooter,, and the rule about no body parts in front of a gun's muzzle being used,, I often find people do not realize they are putting part of their hand in front of the muzzle. I wasn't as "aware" to this until I got into USPSA as I am now. I always practiced not putting my hand forward of the muzzle,,, but the rule made it stand out. Safety first.
But I can see how some designs of some guns benefit from the FCS's,, but I have preferred to never use them. And when I teach,, I point out the fact that one of the main gun safety rule is to never point a gun at anything you do not want to destroy. Putting your hand in front of the muzzle is pointing it in an unsafe direction that might destroy your hand.
Yes,, there are excellent methods of using the FCS's where you do not put your hand forward of the muzzle,, but all it takes is one very brief lapse in thought to become a "problem."
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Post by webber on Oct 26, 2023 15:53:58 GMT -5
I have semi autos with them and don't put my hand in front of the muzzle to use them. Although I prefer the old way of the rear serrations.
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Post by lar4570 on Oct 28, 2023 12:27:35 GMT -5
I have a young friend who's wife was clearing their 45 after a trip to the range and put a round right across the palm of her left hand. Luckily the the round only went through a couple of walls and no other people. Other than a big strip of scar tissue across her palm, it healed up fairly well.
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Post by bigbore5 on Oct 28, 2023 14:58:30 GMT -5
I avoid using them and when I did it was back when the C-more first hit the market, but slide rackers hadn't become widespread. But usually shooters grasped them from the top much as you would a rear grooved slide with the wrist still towards the hammer.
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James
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Post by James on Oct 28, 2023 15:34:53 GMT -5
never liked them from first time I saw them....
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Post by bigbrowndog on Oct 28, 2023 16:09:23 GMT -5
The only issue I see with FS is when they are used improperly. When grip hand is placed on grip and support hand is placed in opposing position with muzzle pointed at support hand elbow and hands pushed together towards each other. This places body parts in front of muzzle. When racking a round in the chamber one should grasp the rear serrations with the support hand and force the gun away from you as you drive the rear serrations from your support hand. This ensures full stroke of the slide and helps eliminate any drag on the slide as it travels forward. Front serrations can be used to “press check” the chamber, but only if you have sufficient hand strength to grasp them without getting fingers in front of the muzzle.
Trapr
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Post by webber on Oct 28, 2023 16:21:09 GMT -5
To me,only to me I am sure, when the hand is placed in front of the muzzle to use the front cocking serrations that is awkward to this right hander. I rack the slide with the hand to the rear of the front cocking serrations like I do with the rear cocking serrations. That is the reason I use the rear. If one don't want to use them then don't. Don't have to use them simply because they are there.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 28, 2023 20:20:47 GMT -5
I love the front serrations on the Les Baer and an early Kimber Gold Match. Don’t miss ‘em on a Glock. Would prefer to have front serration on a couple of old SIG/Sauer .45 and 9mm pistols.
Les Baer proved against marketing bullroar that guide rods in a 1911 contribute nothing to accuracy. I use what Jeff Cooper called the “press check” all the time; can’t do that with a guide rod.
To chamber-check the traditional SIG/Sauer DA/SA auto, I manually cock with gun hand.... then pinch front corners of slide between off hand thumb and forefinger, retracting slide enough to verify loaded chamber. David Bradshaw
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Post by bigbore5 on Oct 29, 2023 4:08:20 GMT -5
The only time I have seen a difference with the full length guide rod in a 1911 is with the very soft Steels loads springs.
My 38 Super challenge gun uses a 85gr bullet at 715fps. The weak spring needs the full rod to function properly. But I run a standard rod when I would change to Major loads and it ran just fine.
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Oct 29, 2023 7:15:15 GMT -5
BARF on the very idea of front cocking serrations and full length guide rods!
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Post by webber on Oct 29, 2023 8:20:10 GMT -5
I am a very simple minded person, be that good or bad. I have bothe types of handguns using front cocking serrations and a couple with full length guide rods. I don't sweat either. If I want to use the front cocking serrations I use them and if I don't want to use them I don't which is a decision that is easy to make. Changing a 1911 back to a regular recoil spring and plug is easy to do too. In fact it is easy to switch back and forth if one wants too. I think us shooters are like a lot of others. We make a lot of "to do" out of a lot of "nothing".
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longoval
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Post by longoval on Oct 29, 2023 8:22:04 GMT -5
I don't have enough 1911 experience to have a strong opinion on guide rods.
But front serrations are an aesthetic abomination.
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