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Post by bombard on Aug 31, 2023 17:32:18 GMT -5
Possibly a dumb question but I haven't found anything about it: Should I be able to cock a revolver while it is pointed skyward? The bullets seem to want to fall out and block the cylinder spinning. It seems it would be good to cock with the barrel pointing up after the recoil of a previous shot and also ergonomically for the thumb and wrist. Much obliged.
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Post by Encore64 on Aug 31, 2023 17:41:37 GMT -5
Unless the loading gate is seating incorrectly, it should cock in any position...
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Post by jeffh on Aug 31, 2023 17:53:40 GMT -5
Not a SINGLE-action, but I bought a brand new S&W 624 in the mid-eighties that would do that. The breech/recoil shield area looked like it was "finished" with a sharp rock and a big stick. Case basses hung up on all the burrs.
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Post by taffin on Aug 31, 2023 18:51:23 GMT -5
A most perplexing question! I'm sure you mean cartridges instead of bullets and there's no way the cartridges can fall out if the loading gate is closed. Up down or sideways.
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Post by gnappi on Aug 31, 2023 18:51:35 GMT -5
Most ranges here will stop you from cocking vertically. Either your ammo is too long, the wrong caliber, or a garage "gunsmith" was mucking with it. I'd bring it to a gunsmith but maybe one that doesn't specialize in plastic guns :-)
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Post by Encore64 on Aug 31, 2023 19:17:27 GMT -5
I had an Old Model Ruger that would do this. The loading gate was angled inward and the cartridge rim would snag the edge.
Clements corrected it when he converted it to 41 Special...
But, I'm not sure what brand and model we're talking about here.
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Post by junebug on Aug 31, 2023 19:27:18 GMT -5
I want my revolvers pointed nowhere but down range or at the threat when I cock them. Straight up is not safe ,if your finger slips you shoot the roof or the gun goes off at eye level possible blinding you or sending the bullet over the berm and out of the range. If the back of the cases are catching on the recoil shield or loading gate when you cock it, then its time for a gunsmith visit.
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Post by bobwright on Aug 31, 2023 20:00:47 GMT -5
The whole concept of singleaction firing is that the gun is cocked as the gun is coming DOWN ou of recoil. This adds the gun's weight to add momentum in cocking the hammer. In rapid firing, the gun recoils upward while the thumb catches the hammer spur, then is swing back down cocking the hammer as the gun comes down. When back to level, press the trigger again. Repeat as necessary.
Old cap-and-ball practice was to cock the gun with muzzle near vertical. This to let any fragments of the exploded cap to fall clear, rather than falling down into the action should the gun be cocked with muzzle near horizontal.
Bob Wright
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Post by bobwright on Aug 31, 2023 20:10:54 GMT -5
I want my revolvers pointed nowhere but down range or at the threat when I cock them. Straight up is not safe ,if your finger slips you shoot the roof or the gun goes off at eye level possible blinding you or sending the bullet over the berm and out of the range. If the back of the cases are catching on the recoil shield or loading gate when you cock it, then its time for a gunsmith visit. If there is a threat present, the Single Action is cocked more or less when the muzzle is down somewhere along the arc from holster to gut level. And in a rapid fire follow up situation, the gun is nowhere near vertical, though it is well above the line of sight momentarily. No one seriously considers ammunition that will raise a Single Action to vertical in recoil. It is foolish to carry a full power Magnum cartridge for personal defense. No one with any sense, that is. Bob Wright |
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Post by prisedefer on Aug 31, 2023 20:17:00 GMT -5
Very interesting to know what Wild Bill must have done.
I've seen the Lone Ranger with the hammer under the metacarpal bone of both thumbs
flick his writs down so quickly that many arguments ended right there.
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Post by longoval on Aug 31, 2023 20:43:07 GMT -5
Should only be an issue with cartridge conversions without a loading gate.
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Post by bigbore5 on Aug 31, 2023 21:05:27 GMT -5
I want my revolvers pointed nowhere but down range or at the threat when I cock them. Straight up is not safe ,if your finger slips you shoot the roof or the gun goes off at eye level possible blinding you or sending the bullet over the berm and out of the range. If the back of the cases are catching on the recoil shield or loading gate when you cock it, then its time for a gunsmith visit. If there is a threat present, the Single Action is cocked more or less when the muzzle is down somewhere along the arc from holster to gut level. And in a rapid fire follow up situation, the gun is nowhere near vertical, though it is well above the line of sight momentarily. No one seriously considers ammunition that will raise a Single Action to vertical in recoil. It is foolish to carry a full power Magnum cartridge for personal defense. No one with any sense, that is. Bob Wright Depends on what you think you may have to defend yourself against. People? Definitely not a biganboomer. Bovines and bear? Definitely a big and bad with recoil to match. 475's and 500's do get vertical in recoil. Standard calibers don't. But still cocked on the way back down. |
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Post by wheelnut on Aug 31, 2023 21:24:42 GMT -5
Not a SINGLE-action, but I bought a brand new S&W 624 in the mid-eighties that would do that. The breech/recoil shield area looked like it was "finished" with a sharp rock and a big stick. Case basses hung up on all the burrs. S&W must have held onto that tool and finished my 986 with it. The issue is exacerbated by the need for moon clips. |
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Post by jeffh on Sept 1, 2023 10:48:45 GMT -5
Not a SINGLE-action, but I bought a brand new S&W 624 in the mid-eighties that would do that. The breech/recoil shield area looked like it was "finished" with a sharp rock and a big stick. Case basses hung up on all the burrs. S&W must have held onto that tool and finished my 986 with it. The issue is exacerbated by the need for moon clips.
I think that "tool" was a person or persons! 
Definitely a QC thing, which was a problem at that time, because that gun had numerous issues for which it was returned. Out of ten problems, they fixed five and made the worst one worse - the one I referenced in my reply, so I had to fix it. It was an amazing gun after that.
Just as a point of historical musing, I paid $275 for that brand new Smith back then.
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Post by azdover on Sept 2, 2023 23:16:46 GMT -5
I once watched an older gentleman at the table next to me practice some “vertical” single action cocking. After the shot, his gun would recoil straight up at the elbow. He then let his whole arm swing down with the barrel pointed behind his hip, cock the hammer, and then bring it back up on target. Needless to say, I quickly moved a little further on down the firing line until he was done shooting.
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