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Post by junebug on Nov 24, 2022 2:03:09 GMT -5
I bought some 44 mag ammo today from an older gentleman who was downsizing. It was several boxes of factory stuff Win., Rem, Fed, with 3 boxes of the old Super Vel to boot. It contained a plastic box of reloads that I bought just for for the components. I don't shoot reloads that I didn't load. The box contained 44 specials and the sticker said 8.9 grains of Bullseye and a 200 gr bullet, sounds like a HEAVY load to me as my books don't show anything near that heavy with Bullseye. I started pulling them down and they had 15 grs of mystery powder and a 250 gr bullet, and that's why I don't shoot things I didn't load. I'm not trying to tell you anything you don't already know but Be cautious out there guys!!!
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Nov 24, 2022 7:47:10 GMT -5
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Post by bradshaw on Nov 24, 2022 7:47:10 GMT -5
I bought some 44 mag ammo today from an older gentleman who was downsizing. It was several boxes of factory stuff Win., Rem, Fed, with 3 boxes of the old Super Vel to boot. It contained a plastic box of reloads that I bought just for for the components. I don't shoot reloads that I didn't load. The box contained 44 specials and the sticker said 8.9 grains of Bullseye and a 200 gr bullet, sounds like a HEAVY load to me as my books don't show anything near that heavy with Bullseye. I started pulling them down and they had 15 grs of mystery powder and a 250 gr bullet, and that's why I don't shoot things I didn't load. I'm not trying to tell you anything you don't already know but Be cautious out there guys!!! ***** june bug.... Happy Thanksgiving. To touch off one of them rounds----“.44 Special and... 8.9 grains of Bullseye”----might make you the Ka-BOOM turkey! Well, maybe not on the first shot.... Walked into McBride’s Gun Shop, off Lamar in Austin, quite a few years ago. Handsome young fellow decries to one of the McBride boys about shooting his 6-1/2-inch Model 29. Shooting with his friends, he was, and right ready to impress them. Said he’d loaded 90 rounds of .44 Mag with 10 grains of Bullseye, and the group fired them all. The last ten rounds, he said, were loaded with 12 grains Bullseye. Now he would impress his friends: “When I pulled the trigger, the light blinded me in both eyes!” he exclaimed. "I could not hear and the top strap was gone... and half the cylinder!" Smith & Wesson, said he, would flat-rate a new Model 29, using a few salvaged parts. He was upset because its replacement would come with 6-inch barrel, not 6-1/2” like the original. I found the young fellow’s anecdote highly entertaining. Although, it seems, he hadn't he’d learned a lesson. Your own cautionary tale didn’t require a demonstration. The box said 8.9/Bullseye, yet charge weighs 15-grains! Yes, handmade label of unknown origin = Skull & Crossbones. The old factory ammo may have some collector value, especially the Super Vel. David Bradshaw
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Post by junebug on Nov 24, 2022 10:24:21 GMT -5
Happy Thanksgiving to you David The old gunsmith shop where I learned what little I know had some characters in from time to time. One brought in a M 29 with the top strap and top three cylinders gone, bulged side plate, broken grips. His tale was he had been loading 357 with a lee dipper set. He wanted to load some 44 too but had no data so he figured if the 357 took one dipper the 44 should take two. Didn't seem to bother him much as he said I didn't have much in it anyway and wanted the gunsmith to send it back to S&W for him . The old smith refused and sent him on down the road. Some people are just are Idiots.
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Post by x101airborne on Nov 25, 2022 9:48:40 GMT -5
Im dangerous enough shooting my own stuff, I dont need any help from unknown loads.
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Post by junebug on Nov 25, 2022 10:34:20 GMT -5
There were a couple more surprises that came to light as I pulled the rest of that box down. None of them were crimped, and I was glad for that as pulling progressed, the bell is still good on the case mouth, Some were so tight in the cases made me wonder if they were glued in. Chemical reaction between bullet and brass? I don't know but I know some were damn tight. Pains me to throw away that much powder, but throw it away I will.
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Post by jeffh on Nov 25, 2022 10:51:23 GMT -5
... Some were so tight in the cases made me wonder if they were glued in. Chemical reaction between bullet and brass?....
If you figure that one out, junebug, let me know. I have loaded ammo like that which I need to break down too.
I was pulling down a bunch of 257 Roberts handloads recently. Some, I loaded 20 years ago and some were ones my dad loaded, who knows how many years ago.
I came across a box of loads with Peters brass and Hornady 75 grain HPs, IMR 4064, one of his favored loads. I like to wrecked my inertia puller, the beech mallet I was whacking it against AND my hand trying to get those bullets out. Not having enough of a straight side to grab on those "spire-point HPs with a collet in the Forster bullet puller to grab onto, I ran one up through the die-hole in a press, clamped onto the bullet with Vise-Grips and tried to pull one that way. Took three tries and a horribly disfigured bullet to get one out.
Upon inspection, there seemed to be none of the green verdigree I've seen on so many old cases. I suspected maybe galvanic reaction between something in the jacket and the brass, but it looked normal. I've had old surplus '06 loads with some type of asphalt glue on the projectiles, but I know my dad never applied anything to the insides of the necks, in fact, I picked up HIS old habit of always cleaning the insides of necks before seating another bullet, so it was CLEAN.
Still no idea what "glued" these in so firmly, but I'm walking away for the time being and looking for a better solution than wrecking tools getting them apart.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Nov 25, 2022 12:01:36 GMT -5
Place the old powder in house plants the nitrogen is excellent for them, or give to the wife to do.
Trapr
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Post by paul105 on Nov 25, 2022 12:02:02 GMT -5
With uncrimped rifle ammo, if you run the cartridge(s) thru the seater die adjusted to just break the grip, inertia puller works a lot better.
Paul
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Nov 25, 2022 13:10:17 GMT -5
Post by jeffh on Nov 25, 2022 13:10:17 GMT -5
With uncrimped rifle ammo, if you run the cartridge(s) thru the seater die adjusted to just break the grip, inertia puller works a lot better. Paul I actually tried that and it made no difference. It usually does, but no dice this time.
I might just have to push them back into the cases, jiggle the powder out and expand the necks with a 6.5 expander to break this stuff down.
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Post by junebug on Nov 25, 2022 22:11:47 GMT -5
jeffh I pulled the bullets as you did only used a big set of dikes as the vicegrips would not hold well enough. Cast bullets went into the lead bucket for meltdown. Makes you wonder what kind of pressure spike you would get if they were shot, never worth the chance of destroying a gun to find out.
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Post by jeffh on Nov 25, 2022 22:41:45 GMT -5
I had the same thought. I was glad I hadn't shot them.
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Nov 26, 2022 18:23:13 GMT -5
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Post by harold89 on Nov 26, 2022 18:23:13 GMT -5
5.0g Bullseye is a favorite here but I wouldn’t trust anyone other than myself to reload with Bullseye for any caliber. Good call, safety first.
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Post by lockhart on Nov 26, 2022 21:00:37 GMT -5
I bought some 44 mag ammo today from an older gentleman who was downsizing. It was several boxes of factory stuff Win., Rem, Fed, with 3 boxes of the old Super Vel to boot. It contained a plastic box of reloads that I bought just for for the components. I don't shoot reloads that I didn't load. The box contained 44 specials and the sticker said 8.9 grains of Bullseye and a 200 gr bullet, sounds like a HEAVY load to me as my books don't show anything near that heavy with Bullseye. I started pulling them down and they had 15 grs of mystery powder and a 250 gr bullet, and that's why I don't shoot things I didn't load. I'm not trying to tell you anything you don't already know but Be cautious out there guys!!! ***** june bug.... Happy Thanksgiving. To touch off one of them rounds----“.44 Special and... 8.9 grains of Bullseye”----might make you the Ka-BOOM turkey! Well, maybe not on the first shot.... Walked into McBride’s Gun Shop, off Lamar in Austin, quite a few years ago. Handsome young fellow decries to one of the McBride boys about shooting his 6-1/2-inch Model 29. Shooting with his friends, he was, and right ready to impress them. Said he’d loaded 90 rounds of .44 Mag with 10 grains of Bullseye, and the group fired them all. The last ten rounds, he said, were loaded with 12 grains Bullseye. Now he was really going to impress his friends. “When I pulled the trigger, the light blinded me in both eyes! I could not hear and the top strap was gone, and half the cylinder!" Smith & Wesson, said he, would flat-rate a new Model 29, using a few salvaged parts. He was upset because its replacement would come with 6-inch barrel, not 6-1/2” like the original. I found the young fellow’s anecdote highly entertaining. Although, it seems, he hadn't he’d learned a lesson. Your own cautionary tale didn’t require a demonstration. The box said 8.9/Bullseye, yet the charge weighted 15-grains! Yes, a handmade label of unknown origin translates to Skull & Crossbones. The old factory ammo may have some collector value, especially the Super Vel. David Bradshaw
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Post by lockhart on Nov 26, 2022 21:07:09 GMT -5
David, a cousin & I got into the Automags back in '74 and we both hunted with ours, deer, of course! Brass & such was hard to find for them at that time* Lee Jurras started selling the pistols, brass, and we bought a lot from him* Lee was quite a character! He invited me & my business partner to the first handgun silhouette shoot, which was held in Arizona, if my memory is correct* We couldn't make it, but I got into it later, in fact, shot a few matches where you were in attendance* I usually traveled with one of your old shooting buddies, Bob Thomas* Now, that old guy was quite a character, too!
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Post by bradshaw on Nov 27, 2022 9:15:50 GMT -5
David, a cousin & I got into the Automags back in '74 and we both hunted with ours, deer, of course! Brass & such was hard to find for them at that time* Lee Jurras started selling the pistols, brass, and we bought a lot from him* Lee was quite a character! He invited me & my business partner to the first handgun silhouette shoot, which was held in Arizona, if my memory is correct* We couldn't make it, but I got into it later, in fact, shot a few matches where you were in attendance* I usually traveled with one of your old shooting buddies, Bob Thomas* Now, that old guy was quite a character, too! ***** Lockhart.... wonderful memory. I’d known about rifle silhouette but didn’t hear about handgun silhouette until early summer 1977, and ended up driving 3,300 miles to shoot in the first IHMSA Internationals. Sold my Auto Mag before that time, as my Model 29 and brass grip frame Super never missed a beat, infinitely more reliable in their sleep than the Auto Mag is in the height of its glory. And, unlike the autoloading brick, the sixguns holster all day without obtrusion and are infinitely faster into action. Yet, the .44 Auto Mag and especially .357 Auto Mag still had a following, so I had a pang of remorse at having sold mine. That regret lasted about a day, until I realized silhouette shooters were single-loading their Auto Mags. And Ray Chapman was trying to sell his 10-inch .44 for the same reason I sold mine. And Elgin Gates had a suitcase full of parts to keep his running. On one drive with Bob Thomas to a match a couple of bikers pass, one of ‘em wearing a Nazi helmet. “What sort of protection is that?” I ask. “You only need a ten cent helmet if you have a ten cent head,” says Bob. Didn’t Bob Thomas carry an old big frame Colt or Smith & Wesson double action .45 on his Honda 6-cylinder Gold Wing? David Bradshaw
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