want to do some weight training ( jogging )

[magnumwheelman]

I'm hoping I can get a routine going, for trail jogging, with one of my back packs... could easily do a 1/2 mile square, at our farm... will start with an empty back pack, & slowly hope to add weight, as I get into better shape..., thinking I can both get in better shape, & improve the weight bearing and stability of one of my several older Military type back packs

I'm looking for a trail jogger type of shoe / boot... I used to run, when I was younger, & do have a pair of running shoes, but thinking something maybe more water proof, & I never did like higher topped hiking boots, I have strong ankles, so I'm thinking something a little better off road built for trail jogging, than my pair of running shoes... looking for shoe / boot recommendations... probably a low top, or a mid height boot intended to flex at the ankle, like is needed for "real" jogging

Looking at these Merrils to start with...

www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HFPPZ8Y/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

not wanting to spend bottomless dollars on a shoe that will get muddy, wet, & worn, most likely pretty quickly

also looking at these...

www.amazon.com/CQR-Military-Repellent-Lightweight-Mid-Ankle/dp/B07Z5X3CRM/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=31N64NMM59U9I&keywords=running%2Bboots%2Bfor%2Bmen&qid=1663170581&sprefix=Running%2Bboots%2Caps%2C111&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFCSk1EWTRZM1JRMVgmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2ODgwOTgyV1NGTFlQQUZZWVVTJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA0MDQ3ODMyTERNRkk5MDhPRlEwJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ&th=1&psc=1

not sure if I could live with the zipper ( don't like lacing taller boots, so it might be a plus ) these are also available with no zipper

[Fowler]

Personally I trail hike with heavy packs, and I run but I don't do both at the same time. No matter how good of a pack you have the weight will shift around and make life horrible for runs, now a good still hike at a sub 20 minute per mile pace you can go at all day.

Add in some pack/body weight workouts at the house and you can get in really pretty good shape without a lot of expensive equipment.

mtnops.com/blogs/fitness/elk-fit-program

mtnops.com/pages/training

The Elk fit program I did last year and it really worked pretty well for me even at 48 years old at the time.

There is a entire category of trial running shoes out there that should be the cats meow for you, just depends on what you want for design, tread, material, etc.

YMMV

[magnumwheelman]

ya... I'm 62, so nothing too... "balls to the wall" for work outs for me... thinking more a medium slow jog, with the packs... no trail to start with, for my lap, busting grass & weeds will be my resistance to start with

[bula]

A couple decades of high mileage, running and biking, to mountaineer/climb years ago. Some bone on bone and arthritis now. I'd say, walk fast and with small pack on, small ankle weights. Skip jogging or running. Bike or swim for cardio options. My dog walks now, need to go farther but my Lab is now 13. 

[JM]

Look into weight vests.

Something like this: chrisheria.com/collections/weight-vest

Those are fairly expensive though. I bought a much less expensive one from Amazon. I think it flops around too much for serious jogging/trail running. I use it for slow speed calisthenics.

[bigbrowndog]

About 10 years ago in my late 40’s my normal workout for work was do a 4km walk run while wearing my SCBA air pack, about 35 pounds. It was a great workout, and one i could do summer or winter, regardless of heat or rain or cold. One day while doing a stretch of running I tripped and fell, falling with weight in your back SUX!!!……you can’t really role and slowly absorb the impact. I sat there on the curb, about a half a Km from the station, bleeding with a scraped shin, knowing I had to get back because no one was gonna come pick me up.
Later after I cleaned up, I walked back and looked at what I tripped on,….it was a 1/4” high patch of asphalt, that’s it 1/4”. After that I decided running with a pack was a young man’s game, I still walk with a pack and throw in squats, push ups, and toe touches. But no more running with a pack, it’s too easy to F up yourself, when you’re actually trying to better yourself. So now I walk 3-4 miles with a pack and increase weight and distance every two weeks, adding a mile at a time, and increasing reps on the exercises. Knees, feet, etc. don’t do running anymore.

Trapr

[Gunny268]

BBD is so right (but learned a lesson the hard way). Weight should be supported by the pelvis, not on the torso or shoulders. It increases stress to the muscles of the lower back and abdominals trying to keep the spine (a loose fit multi-sectional tent pole) vertical. Also, the rhythmic pressure increases on the intervertebral discs for each step can be as much as 5 times higher when running vs walking, and that's without adding any extra weight to the body.

[magnumwheelman]

plan on supporting off the shoulders, but carrying the weight lower around the hips

[Gunny268]

About the best solution I've found is a rigid pack frame with padded hip belt. But those are usually sized for larger loadouts like a two-week walkabout on the John Muir Trail.

[pete]

Bigbrowndog, i can relate to the screwing yourself up part. Walking to get healthier last winter, i went down hard on the ice on my driveway after a nice long walk. Shredded hell out of my shoulder! So much for getting healthy! Had it fixed in may, it was bad, really bad, and im finally going back to work next month. Be careful getting/maintaing your health, it can kill ya!

[Fowler]

Sept 22, 2022 11:22:32 GMT -5 pete said:

Bigbrowndog, i can relate to the screwing yourself up part. Walking to get healthier last winter, i went down hard on the ice on my driveway after a nice long walk. Shredded hell out of my shoulder! So much for getting healthy! Had it fixed in may, it was bad, really bad, and im finally going back to work next month. Be careful getting/maintaing your health, it can kill ya!

And isn't that the double edged sword because not taking care of your health will kill you for sure. I have a long list of joints and a lower back that all ache, if I gave my trainer a list of all of them he would wrap me in bubble wrap and chain me to the couch but what fun is that. My shoulders both probably need surgery but I am going to manage them as long as I can without that step, seems other things always get messed up trying to fix the one thing. Not to mention the bank account.

Beat not getting older I guess.

[cmillard]

Saucony trail runners is all I wear now when jogging! With 2 bum knees, they provide a nice cushion but also last long! Going for a jog right after this message.

[bigbrowndog]

Sept 15, 2022 13:24:02 GMT -5 Gunny268 said:

About the best solution I've found is a rigid pack frame with padded hip belt. But those are usually sized for larger loadouts like a two-week walkabout on the John Muir Trail.

Im Using the Eberlestock mainframe right now, it’s modular so adding bulk is easier, start with their batwings and put water bottles in them for weight, then progress to a main compartment with the same, and then add batwings to main compartment. Keep adding water bottles for weight as you progress. Eventually you’ll get either enough or too much weight.

Trapr

[edk]

Rolled my ankles so many times (twice fractured) that if you look at them crosseyed they'll sprain. Can't help you magnumwheelman it's all low impact for me. Good health to ya!