pleadthe2nd
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Post by pleadthe2nd on Jan 21, 2022 19:28:00 GMT -5
I have the Burris and the Leopold, both good scopes, the Burris does seem to have a wider field of view, but the clarity of the Leopold wins hands down, just looks crisper and brighter, but since Leopold is out, the Weaver would be my choice over the Burris, just don't care for the Burris glass, my Weaver $50 rifle scope has better glass.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 21, 2022 20:54:13 GMT -5
I have the Burris and the Leopold, both good scopes, the Burris does seem to have a wider field of view, but the clarity of the Leopold wins hands down, just looks crisper and brighter, but since Leopold is out, the Weaver would be my choice over the Burris, just don't care for the Burris glass, my Weaver $50 rifle scope has better glass. ***** My old Burris scopes have good glass. Generally heavier than Leupold, although my Burris 1.5-5x AO (Adjustable Objective) is pretty compact. Ron Reiber of Hodgdon hunted his Freedom arms M-83 7-1/2” .454 Casull with Burris 1-4x, another practical field arrangement. I just put a Leupold M8 2x on an M-83 .454 Casull 4-3/4”. Centered the turret adjustments and will dope it tomorrow with .45 ACP, cast 230 Truncated Cone over 5.5/Win 231. It was 17-below this morning and will be below tomorrow, so I’ll ease into ZERO before loading bigger. David Bradshaw
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Post by aciera on Jan 21, 2022 21:22:33 GMT -5
Nikon has a 1x OT 1 1/2 x that at dusk was so good at light gathering. Like a hole in the dusk.
Great glass
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 22, 2022 9:16:23 GMT -5
Nikon has a 1x OT 1 1/2 x that at dusk was so good at light gathering. Like a hole in the dusk. Great glass ***** What is a Nikon “1x OT 1-1/2”? Unless written otherwise, it reads to me as "Nikon 1x Over Time.... 1-1/2” ? UNITY MAGNIFICATION----the absence of magnification----is an industry term for 1x. As Glen and others has observed, 1x has the effect of making the image appear smaller. The lowest power Nikon handgun scope, of which I’m aware, is the Nikon 2x, with micro-click adjustments, which repeated well enough to drop 39x40 1/4-size silhouettes with a Freedom Arms M-83 .44 Mag (Sierra 240 JHC over 23.4/H110). Shooting done without a spotter, thus impossible to read POI (Point of Impact). Muzzle velocity 1,600 fps for a 240 grain bullet tends to pitch little steel targets wildly off the rail. Crummy adjustments would not have permitted tracking dope from 50 to 200 meters. David Bradshaw
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Post by edk on Jan 22, 2022 19:11:17 GMT -5
The perception a 2x makes the image appear smaller is acknowledged: even Leopold specs reveal magnification is significantly less than 2x despite the nomenclature. However the improvement in sight picture over irons cannot be underestimated.
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Post by aciera on Jan 23, 2022 4:30:27 GMT -5
Nikon has a 1x OT 1 1/2 x that at dusk was so good at light gathering. Like a hole in the dusk. Great glass ***** What is a Nikon “1x OT 1-1/2”? Unless written otherwise, it reads to me as "Nikon 1x Over Time.... 1-1/2” ? UNITY MAGNIFICATION----the absence of magnification----is an industry term for 1x. As Glen and others has observed, 1x has the effect of making the image appear smaller. The lowest power Nikon handgun scope, of which I’m aware, is the Nikon 2x, with micro-click adjustments, which repeated well enough to drop 39x40 1/4-size silhouettes with a Freedom Arms M-83 .44 Mag (Sierra 240 JHC over 23.4/H110). Shooting done without a spotter, thus impossible to read POI (Point of Impact). Muzzle velocity 1,600 fps for a 240 grain bullet tends to pitch little steel targets wildly off the rail. Crummy adjustments would not have permitted tracking dope from 50 to 200 meters. David Bradshaw Fat Thumbs. It was a 1 power or 1 1/2 power. It gathers light so well. It was lower than 2 power I’m sure. Had a 1.4 power Weaver on a 375 H&H once. NO markings on it. A friend knew glass as well as anyone I ever heard of......he called it right away. Lol.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 23, 2022 10:55:52 GMT -5
pleadthe2nd.... Day before yesterday, I put an old Leupold M8 2x EER on Freedom Arms M-83. Feels much better than larger scopes on then 4-3/4” .454 Casull. So far, I’ve shot it at 21-below zero, -9 and +9 degrees. I’ll dope it some more today. Anything bulkier than iron sights is obtrusive on a carry revolver, but it’s time for mr to exercise a precision, compact gun with precision sights which add an hour to shooting light. My reservation against an electronic reticle is vulnerability to time & cold. On some guns I will not abide a battery-dependent sight. And it must be submergible. Conditions which sugar off to an old-fashioned mechanical reticle.
I had no trouble with the Nikon 2x. Options on current production include 2x Extended Eye Relief by Burris and Weaver; I haven’t used either, so can’t compare.
Leupold is the scope maker which forced others to get serious about weather-proofing. Weaver, especially in conjunction with Rifle Silhouette, forced others to improve adjustments. Single shot handguns screamed for magnification. Too many rifles and handguns are plagued with excess magnification, a syndrome amplified by a fall-off in the offhand discipline. High -magnification discourages POSITION SHOOTING and out-of-position shooting: make-or-break skills on the mountain.
If, in your travels, you trip over a Leupold 2x, pick it up. David Bradshaw
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Post by pleadthe2nd on Jan 23, 2022 13:22:59 GMT -5
I'm in total agreement with Mr. Bradshaw, with your experience and expertise, anyone would be a fool to disagree, I do own the Leopold fx 2, and the Burris 2x, which is a good scope, but does not compare to the Leopold, which is no longer in production, tried to find a matte silver one to replace the Burris with, no luck. The Burris is much bulkier than the Leopold, and glass seems cloudy compared as well, probably wouldn't notice this if I didn't have both for comparison, but I would sell the Burris, never the Leopold. I have switched both out to ultradot right now, as these are on my hunting revolvers, as my max distance, in this particular location is about 65 yards, and I seem to be able to steady the dot better at these ranges, however, I am relying on the unknown with battery powered optics, which could be trouble at the wrong moment, should I plan a hunt farther from home, I would definitely bring the Leopold scope along, after zeroing of course. I am sold on the fx 2 from Leopold, don't know why they discontinued them, but it was in my favor, as my local gun store, marked it down to $200 , which is less than I paid for the Burris
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Post by 1911papa on Feb 3, 2022 10:42:10 GMT -5
I too agree with Mr Bradshaw. I have a old Leupold M8 2X on my Freedom Arms M83 454 Casull and it is perfect!
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