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Post by jiminpa on Nov 9, 2021 15:53:29 GMT -5
In September I purchased 40 rounds of Buffalo Bore 480 Ruger with the copper Barnes bullets for $190. After firing 5 rounds, I could not extract the empties. They were VERY tight. This was with my new BFR revolver.
I had to use a wooden dowel to pound the empties out of the cylinder. I fired 5 more rounds with the same result. I took the gun home and cleaned the cylinders with a brass brush and solvent. The next time I took the gun out I fired 5 more with the same result. Prior to this I had fired approximately 200 rounds of different brands of factory ammo and reloads that I had reloaded myself. I had no issues whatsoever with extractions.
I e-mailed Buffalo Bore on September 24 and explained the problem to them. They referred me to their website which indicated that this issue was probably due to rough chambers. They implied that the problem was gun related, not ammo related. I e-mailed them again that my problem was more than just a "sticky extraction".
I offered to return the unused ammo so that they could check it. I had used the same ammo previously purchased with no issues. However, I noticed that they are using different brass for this batch and suggested that might be the issue. Previously they used Starline brass. I got no response for 3 to 4 weeks.
Yesterday I again e-mailed asking if my previous e-mails were received and passed on to the factory. I got a response from the owner referring me back to the website and telling me that "if you read and follow instructions your issue will be gone." They are saying that the problem is the gun (brand new BFR) and not even considering it may be a problem with the ammo.
In this case, their customer service is horrible. On their website they promise to respond within 24 hours. I had to make repeated attempts over a period of 3 to 4 weeks to get a response and then they made a blanket statement implying that it is always the gun. I am disappointed in how I was treated and will not be making any further purchases from them. I paid almost $5 a round for this ammo and cannot shoot it in my gun. They can stick their ammo!
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Post by squawberryman on Nov 9, 2021 16:04:19 GMT -5
What's the psi of the rounds you purchased? What's the psi of the rounds you've shot? Chances are at that price you bought hot rounds. Hot means a lot of pressure and expansion. If your chambers are anything less than smooth, well, it's the gun.
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Post by Encore64 on Nov 9, 2021 16:05:48 GMT -5
Ah, yes...
The joys of being a Handloader never end.
I'll keep my personal opinions to myself and will simply say "I refuse to use certain brands of ammo and other products."
Simple lessons that our experiences teach us are invaluable. Don't ever let a bad experience turn you against the sport...
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Post by magnumwheelman on Nov 9, 2021 16:20:54 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of "companies that can do no wrong"... that said, I've personally never had issues with Buffalo Bore... but "hot" is the name of their game, so I'm sure you're not the 1st to have issues across the caliber library they load for... I hand loaded my 500 JRH BFR "rocks & dynamite" using info from some "hot" shooters here, & never had extraction issues, so at least my BFR did not have rough chambers...
I'll never buy a Michelin tire new... I had a newer set on a used truck I bought many years ago... one of the steel belts separated ( tires were really like new ) & I got a steel belt separation... I took the tire back to the local Michelin dealer, they said the company refused any warranty, as Michelin tires do not get steel belt separation... hmmm. says I, holding a twisted Michelin... now they could have said all kinds of things, like I was not the original purchaser, or??? but they chose to tell me something that I was holding proof was not true... in all fairness, I had a 2nd truck with newer Michelins on, & they were fine, so... all their tires are not crap, but their company policy / customer service was... over all those years, I still remember the burn I felt...
because the BFR's are known for being able to "take the pressure"... you may want to contact Magnum Research, & explain the situation, & ask if they would be willing to check your chambers ( someone here just posted the other day, how fast their customer service turned around a gun he sent back, to have something done to his revolver )...
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Post by jiminpa on Nov 9, 2021 16:29:50 GMT -5
The ammo is 1500 fps. Ihave shot the same load in the same gun previously, easy extraction. I stand by my post. Thanks.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Nov 9, 2021 16:36:55 GMT -5
I would not be surprised if the change in brass could be a key here... over the last year of shortage, lots of companies have had to make substitutions... it's possible that the cases on the loaded ammo you bought has different properties than the previous Starline cases ( admittedly Starline is a premium brass case ), could be brass thickness, a slightly thicker case on the new ammo, on a hot load could push things higher than Buffalo Bore thought??? they may be using an alternate powder during this time of shortage... could be a combo of all???
what brand of Brass was the new ammo loaded in???
I've run into the short case thing with Hornady brass, especially on calibers where the load the FTX bullets, they have to shorten the brass to keep the COL correct...
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Post by rjm52 on Nov 9, 2021 16:49:01 GMT -5
The ammo is 1500 fps. Ihave shot the same load in the same gun previously, easy extraction. I stand by my post. Thanks. ...are you saying you have used a different box/lot of their same ammo in the same gun and had easy extraction? If so have you told them this? Had over pressured 10mm from Underwood that when I sent them the picks of the almost blown out cases that was clocking over 100 fps faster than was listed they immediately sent me a return label and replaced the ammo. The new ammo shot to spec. Can't remember the name of the other company but had some overpressured .357 SIG ammo. Contacted them, they had me send it back and sent me a check for all the ammo plus postage. Their ammo is really over the top... They have a .357 Magnum 125 that is going 1650 from a 4" barrel...everyone else's is going 1450. SAAMI be damned.. Bob |
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Post by tj3006 on Nov 9, 2021 17:41:56 GMT -5
I refuse to pay 1.00 $ a round for handgun ammo,
I might change my mind on that one day, But i can load my own for under .50, even with Jacketed bullets. Just so you can be sure you might send you cylider to Fermin for inspection !...tj
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Post by x101airborne on Nov 9, 2021 18:06:21 GMT -5
I refuse to pay 1.00 $ a round for handgun ammo, I might change my mind on that one day, But i can load my own for under .50, even with Jacketed bullets. Just so you can be sure you might send you cylider to Fermin for inspection !...tj Im not saying I doubt you at all, but 480 Ruger handloaded under 50 cents a piece with jacketed bullets is something! You must have bought in bulk a long time ago. (Smart thinking.) |
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Post by jiminpa on Nov 9, 2021 18:30:23 GMT -5
It is speer brass. I did mention the different brass could be the problem, no response.
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Post by taffin on Nov 9, 2021 18:31:07 GMT -5
E-MAILS? NO; PHONE CALLS? YES
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Post by bigbrowndog on Nov 9, 2021 19:06:15 GMT -5
Try weighing the brass and see if something obvious pops up,....I get that that should be on them but it’s obvious they aren’t getting the gist of the issue.
Trapr
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Post by tj3006 on Nov 9, 2021 19:44:15 GMT -5
There is no question the brass might be the problem.
But Buffalo bore loads hot, and it seems to me if the chamber walls are a little rough, a hotter load might bring that to light. But fermin might say the chambers are fine too. At that time, some more force full action might be a consideration...tj
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Post by Encore64 on Nov 9, 2021 19:50:02 GMT -5
This is like asking why cast bullets are leading. There is no simple, one word answer.
Seems that several things COULD be the problem.
Excessive pressure ammo, softer brass in the Speer Cases, rough chamber walls, even throats that restricted the copper bullets could cause pressure to spike.
Begs for more info...
How do primers look? Have you measured brass expansion? Will brass chamber after being removed?
If they produce enough pressure to spring that 17-4 Cylinder, I'd take a loss and not fire any more.
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Post by kevshell on Nov 9, 2021 20:25:10 GMT -5
I can only provide my experience. I tried Buffalo Bore in 2 44 Mags this year and used it for my elk country bear spray. I shot about 30 rounds through a 629 and a Redhawk. They are hot but they extracted relatively easy. I also put 1 cylinder worth of 45 Colt through my new bisley. No proble.s there either.
The one thing I will comment on is that their low flash powder meets the claims. My H110 loads light up the range. Their low flash dangerous game loads had zero flash.
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