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Post by potatojudge on May 22, 2021 13:49:01 GMT -5
I've always appreciated Todd Spotti's articles- good data, good shooter.
"In conclusion I can safely say that yes, the 360 is more flexible to load for than the 357 Max and with the right loads, it isn't that far off from approaching Maxi velocities. I'd say that the Wesson people achieved what they set out to do when they built this gun. It's a great piece of workmanship at a reasonable price, and in combination with the 360 cartridge, it works great."
A round that bridges the gap between the Mag and Max, allows for SPM or SR primers, and performs well with a wider array of powders and bullets seems like a recipe for success.
But what gun has the dimensions to take advantage of the extra case length? Mid frame Ruger with factory cylinder? What about a custom long cylinder in a standard frame window? Full size Blackhawk with a factory cylinder seems like there's lots of room to work.
What do y'all think is a reasonable, economical platform for the 360?
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Post by dougader on May 22, 2021 13:54:14 GMT -5
I was thinking about this a couple weeks ago when I saw the 360 brass on the Starline website. I think you'd need a long cylinder to get any use at all from the OM 357 Blackhawk.
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Post by Odin on May 22, 2021 14:34:37 GMT -5
Hog out a 357mag BFR with the longest barrel they offer (prolly 7.5 inch). It'd make for one dead simple deer killer for sure (albeit slightly heavy)
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Post by dougader on May 22, 2021 15:23:23 GMT -5
I almost ordered the 360 brass from Starline as they were not accepting backorders for 357 mag brass. But my Ruger Blackhawk is the old model and I found nothing on the .net saying the longer DW cartridge would work in OM 357 mag revolvers.... was even tempted to trim the cases to fit my 357 when Starline opened up backorders for the 357 mag brass for a few hours... I ordered 4,000 cases!
I wonder what the cylinder length of a NM 357 BH is and if a simple reaming out of the cylinder would allow for the use of 360 brass loaded with the heavier bullets... 173 Keith to 180 or 200 cast.
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Post by tj3006 on May 22, 2021 16:20:03 GMT -5
I talked this project over with John Powers, on a NM 357. he said he would build a new cylinder and probably open the window a tad.
I already fitted a Wells potato judge brass frame, And bought a 100 cases from Graph N sons.
Seems to me a N frame would work too. A Model 28 has a crazy long forcing cone. I don't claim to know what I am talking about on the Smith but the NM works.
I would be surprised if the Medium frame Ruger would work. +
And I want the extra steel of the NM...tj
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Post by aciera on May 22, 2021 16:25:52 GMT -5
I believe it the 357 Redhawk would work if it is the same length as the 41/44/45
But that’s DA
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Post by aciera on May 22, 2021 16:35:39 GMT -5
A BlackHawk would be fine if you put a shorter barrel stub.
Look how long the 475L round is
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Post by Encore64 on May 22, 2021 16:37:22 GMT -5
A BlackHawk would be fine if you put a shorter barrel stub. Look how long the 475L round is I have to agree with this. Shorten the barrel stub and put a long five shot cylinder in. Presto... |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 17:23:00 GMT -5
Seems like the way to go would be a 30 carbine blackhawk rebored to 360 with either a takeoff barrel or a match grade .357 barrel. Just my guess. I dont think an om 357 cylinder is nearly long enough for a 360 DW
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Post by RDW on May 22, 2021 18:04:53 GMT -5
Standard Blackhawk Main Frame Gentlemen. No Midframe, just regular ole Blackhawk. New and old alike! Works just fine! Just finished my 3rd. two for freinds. I built one on the stainless that i posted recently with the giant Bradshaw finger groove Large. Man was i impressed! The load data for 360 Dan wesson is very conservative. Bradshaw martin 192 Leads and 180 xtps so far are less than a hundred away from the max. Alot less according to my old oehler. Loves 1680 and throws some impressive H110 FPS. cci SPMs No Flatening, No over pressure! Very Accurate and one mean jelly bean. .jpg) |
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Post by RDW on May 22, 2021 18:07:29 GMT -5
Seems like the way to go would be a 30 carbine blackhawk rebored to 360 with either a takeoff barrel or a match grade .357 barrel. Just my guess. I dont think an om 357 cylinder is nearly long enough for a 360 DW Just a little shy but not much. 30 carbines are just a smidge longer than the 357 mag. And yes, you are correct, the 357 mag cyl is to short. |
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Post by RDW on May 22, 2021 18:09:41 GMT -5
I believe it the 357 Redhawk would work if it is the same length as the 41/44/45 But that’s DA I have been so impressed with the 360 DW that i just traded some bluing work for another redhawk. Gonna make me a 360 dw seven shooter out of it. Awt to Be a real Stinker! |
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Post by wgg on May 22, 2021 18:16:55 GMT -5
I have a blued 7 1/2" Bisley that I have been thinking about turning into a 360. I wondered if it would be worth the effort.
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Post by aciera on May 22, 2021 18:39:28 GMT -5
I believe it the 357 Redhawk would work if it is the same length as the 41/44/45 But that’s DA I have been so impressed with the 360 DW that i just traded some bluing work for another redhawk. Gonna make me a 360 dw seven shooter out of it. Awt to Be a real Stinker! Yeah. Plenty of room. More balance in the wall thickness too Like a 6 shot 475 rechamber of a 45 colt cylinder |
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Post by RDW on May 23, 2021 11:58:46 GMT -5
I have been so impressed with the 360 DW that i just traded some bluing work for another redhawk. Gonna make me a 360 dw seven shooter out of it. Awt to Be a real Stinker! Yeah. Plenty of room. More balance in the wall thickness too Like a 6 shot 475 rechamber of a 45 colt cylinder I have never made a 6 shot .475 on a Redhawk or in anything larger than a .478" 454 Casull chamber. Mainly because it just does not give me a warm and fuzzie! This full pic of the geometry for the Redhawk cylinder for reference to the closeups to follow!  The inner circle is the 44 mag chamber for which the original redhawk was designed. .0528 " of an inch to the bottom of the cyl latch or bolt groove for the 44 mag chamber. 0428" for the 45 colt and .0278 for the .475 Linebaugh which by the way is loaded to a much higher pressure on average! Dont trust it. Of course Ruger is using a Material that was not available for a long time and 465 Carpenter seems to be there ticket. I have never used it. But i Here great things!!!! Looks awsome per spec and im sure it will end up on some of my future builds. My main concern was the .037 thousands thickness between cylinder chambers. That was my deal breaker. I could live with the .088 to the outer diameter, But not that. .jpg) I like the five mainly because it forces me to make a new cylinder at 1.805" instead of the original 1.78" Little extra meat, Not much but just enough to give me that warm and fuzzie i need before touching off the potential 475 L box car derailing rounds that i like to push Linebaughs to. I get a .133 between chambers and atleast a hundred to the outside. Hell even the .500 L has .080" to the outside and still has .093 between chambers. 72 degree placement puts my Bolt notches in a far better spot.  I love the Redhawk. It is a beast of a revolver and it wouldnt surprise me if someone has rechambered it in .475 (original 6 shot cyl). Andy cannon rechambered them in 454 Casull and i just had to try it. That was late eighties and she is still puffing. its gobbled up thousands of full house rounds and i have never seen a problem yet so like i stated earlier, it would not surprise me. I just wouldnt do it myself with the original 416 ss cylindres! |
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