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Post by AxeHandle on Oct 14, 2020 5:52:52 GMT -5
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Post by smirker on Oct 14, 2020 8:09:02 GMT -5
Yup, I beleive Colt stopped using it because more people were getting hurt with it in the gun than without it.
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Post by fn1889m on Oct 16, 2020 1:15:47 GMT -5
Colt used it in the late 1930s before World War II. They switched to World War II contract guns in 1942, which had to omit it. Some of their slides even had the hole for the safety in early 1942 1911 GI pistols, but no safety. (I once owned one.) Colt never started using it again after World War II. I suspect that Colt simply used the WWII tooling without the Swartz safety after the war.
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Post by rjm52 on Oct 21, 2020 6:42:09 GMT -5
Always kinda looked at a 1911 FPS as a cure in search of a problem that causes more problems that it solves.
The Swartz safety system deactivates the FPB when the gun is held and the grip safety is depressed. If one likes to carry a loaded 1911 with the hammer down the FPB is going to be deactivated as one tries to safely lower the hammer....slip and it will go bang. If the hammer is down on the firing pin stop even without a FPB the gun can be dropped on the hammer and it can not go off because no energy can be transitted to the firing pin.
As to dropping the gun straight down on the muzzle, with either the Swartz or Colt the systems will of course prevent any movement of the firing pin as it in locked in place. Without a FPB a 1911 dropped muzzle first on a hard surface is unlikely to go off because of the firing pin spring....and I have been there and done that...
About 2005 I was holstering a Colt Commander in .38 Super when the gun slipped out of my hand at wait level...about 40" above a tile floor...and headed straight down...I can still remember thinking while it was falling muzzle down if it was going to go off when it hit as it was a non-FPS type gun... It hit the tile hard enough to take a chip out of the tile....and no bang. When I pulled the round from the chamber there was barely a indentation on the primer.
The safeties also complicate putting a totally stripped down gun back together compared to one without the safety...
I have several 1911s with FPB safeties and they don't bother me but since both Colt and Kimber are now both producing guns again without them there must not be much of a liability issue otherwise their lawyers would never let them...
Bob
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Post by awp101 on Oct 21, 2020 17:06:14 GMT -5
This may be a question for another thread, but how do the Swartz and Series 80 safeties compare? To my knowledge I’ve never owned either one.
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Post by AxeHandle on Oct 22, 2020 18:47:20 GMT -5
End result they do the same thing. Unlock the FP. Series 80 provides the opportunity to muck up your trigger since the FP lock runs off the trigger. Swartz provides opportunity for the gun to fail fire if you don't engage the grip safety or the mechanical bits choke up.
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Post by DiamondD on Oct 23, 2020 16:53:49 GMT -5
This may be a question for another thread, but how do the Swartz and Series 80 safeties compare? To my knowledge I’ve never owned either one. The only 1911 I own with either AFAIK is a series 80 Colt. I had always heard the FPB was detrimental to achieving a good trigger but this one had never had any trigger work when I got it, and not many rounds fired and the trigger was superb. It has gotten better with use. Example of one, all my other 1911s are series 70 style, but that is my experience. |
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